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Old August 10th, 2006, 12:37 PM   #1
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Support HR 5890


ALERT: In 1980, as part of his acceptance speech at the Republican convention, Ronald Reagan said:

"...conservation is not the sole answer to our energy needs. America must get to work producing more energy... Large amounts of oil and natural gas lay beneath our land and off our shores... Coal offers great potential... It must not be thwarted by a tiny minority opposed to economic growth which often finds friendly ears in regulatory agencies for its obstructionist campaigns. Make no mistake. We will not permit the safety of our people or our environment heritage to be jeopardized, but we are going to reaffirm that the economic prosperity of our people is a fundamental part of our environment."

This quote by President Ronald Reagan sounds rather familiar. In fact, you can still hear these words echoing in the halls of Congress. What's interesting is that the same folks who opposed Reagan's energy proposals 20 years ago are still standing in the way of our energy freedom today. Their only solution is social engineering by taxing the American people to force changes to their lifestyle. This has NOT worked in the past, and will NOT work today.

Despite the call to arms by President Reagan, our nation remains in the midst of an energy crisis. Today, the U.S. imports 65% of its petroleum needs and by 2025, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects the U.S. will import 71% of its petroleum. Unfortunately, two-thirds of the world's known oil reserves are located in the volatile Middle East. The constant instability in the area results in drastic changes in the price of oil. Consequently, it's not surprising that year after year we pay higher and higher prices for energy -- whether at the pumps or in our monthly home energy bills. This has stifled economic development, put our nation's security at risk, and placed an unnecessary burden on the family budget.

Americans need to come to grips with the onerous policies of the past that are strangling us now -- this is an American problem that requires an American-Made solution. Thankfully, a solution has been proposed by Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA): H.R. 5890, the "American-Made Energy Freedom Act".

This bipartisan bill would provide short-term relief while funding the long-term solution for energy freedom. This would be accomplished by opening just 2,000 acres of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to exploration and investing the federal share of the lease and royalty revenue into an energy trust fund. This trust fund would be used to pay for numerous renewable, alternative, and advanced energy programs (see attached). At $40 billion over 30 years, this trust fund will be the largest investment in renewable, alternative, and advanced energy in our nation's history -- all at no cost to the taxpayer.

TAKE ACTION: The basics of the bill would invest all the lease and royalty revenue from ANWR into renewable and alternative energy. That's equal to $40 billion dollars -- the largest investment in our nation's history. The bill had 22 original cosponsors (13 Republicans including Chairmen Barton and Pombo, and 9 Democrats). Considering the bill has ANWR in it, it is VERY significant that it had 9 Democrat cosponsors -- this is truly a bipartisan bill.

The bill is expected to move in September -- which means we need to build support for it TODAY. Click below NOW to send a free message to your Representative, telling him or her to support the "American-Made Energy Freedom Act":
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Old August 10th, 2006, 01:09 PM   #2
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VOTE NO. Conservation will do more for this country than dubious drilling that will affect tens of thousands of acres of pristine wilderness, with very little oil in return.

And the title of the bill makes me sick. If REPUBLICANS hadn't blocked increased auto/truck mileage standards for decades, we'd be in a hell of a lot better shape than before.

If we took the billions we are wasting in Iraq, and invested THAT in renewables, we would not be in the horrible shape we are in now.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 01:14 PM   #3
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I seriously doubt this bill is Bi partisan, particulary a few weeks before the elections.

It appears to be yet another attempt to push for drilling ANWR.

Same old mantra, drill, drill, drill. Conservation is too [politicaly] expensive so we will just ignore it and trivialize any objections raised.

I love the attempt at labeling conservation as 'Social Engineering', with obvious attempt to assoicate it with a socialist mind set/ Way to go to make an issue 'Bi Partisan'.

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Old August 10th, 2006, 02:53 PM   #4
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Did you gentlemen read where it was 13 Republicans and 9 Democrats that sponsored this bill? Do you see where is was going to put $40 BILLION towards new energy sources? Did you notice where is was only going to affect 2,000 acres of land?
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Old August 10th, 2006, 03:09 PM   #5
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Did you gentlemen read where it was 13 Republicans and 9 Democrats that sponsored this bill? Do you see where is was going to put $40 BILLION towards new energy sources? Did you notice where is was only going to affect 2,000 acres of land?
The 2,000 acres is a smoke screen. The 2,000 acres are scattered ALL over the coastal plain - you to run roads, pipelines, etc to all of them. Those 2000 acres end up affecting 10,000's of acres.


And why tie this to Alternative energy funding - just fund the alternative energy on it's own.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 03:09 PM   #6
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Did you gentlemen read where it was 13 Republicans and 9 Democrats that sponsored this bill? Do you see where is was going to put $40 BILLION towards new energy sources? Did you notice where is was only going to affect 2,000 acres of land?
$40 BILLION? Why, that's like 1/8th of an Iraq War
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Old August 10th, 2006, 04:39 PM   #7
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just fund the alternative energy on it's own.


every penny that would go toward the drilling, try to find an alternative to oil

even if that is using electricity (see Tesla Motors), then pour the money in finding better ways to create that electricity (and creating more of it)


I would like to see mankinds relalince(sp) on oil slashed in my lifetime.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM   #8
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every penny that would go toward the drilling, try to find an alternative to oil

even if that is using electricity (see Tesla Motors), then pour the money in finding better ways to create that electricity (and creating more of it)


I would like to see mankinds relalince(sp) on oil slashed in my lifetime.
Arthur the $40 billion is the governments share of the revenue. Any drilling, exploration, transportation would have to be paid for by the oil companies.

This bill has a great chance of passing because it has Demo support as well as the Repubs. Before you do a knee jerk reaction to it and oppose it because ANWR is sacred, you really need to look at the whole bill and what would be accomplished.

Right now everyone else in the world is drilling in Cuba and the surrounding area, but we can't because of the environmentalists. Instead of us doing the drilling and doing it correctly, we have people who live half a world away who could care less about oil spills taking the oil right out of our backyard. Talk about a recipe for disaster.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 09:03 PM   #11
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No problem. Just don't complain when gas hits $5 a gallon.
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Arthur the $40 billion is the governments share of the revenue. Any drilling, exploration, transportation would have to be paid for by the oil companies.

This bill has a great chance of passing because it has Demo support as well as the Repubs. Before you do a knee jerk reaction to it and oppose it because ANWR is sacred, you really need to look at the whole bill and what would be accomplished.

Right now everyone else in the world is drilling in Cuba and the surrounding area, but we can't because of the environmentalists. Instead of us doing the drilling and doing it correctly, we have people who live half a world away who could care less about oil spills taking the oil right out of our backyard. Talk about a recipe for disaster.
hmmm

interesting, i never knew that, thanks

but...

maybe im just idealistic, but id rather see something invented that can completley destroy our dependence on oil.

If an american company can develop this, rather than a Japaneese company for example, it would be better

you had the steam engine in the late 18th/19th century, then the car and airplane in the 20th century, spaceflight (which still needs ALOT of improvement) in the 20th, its time for the next big innovation in regards to transportation
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No problem. Just don't complain when gas hits $5 a gallon.
if thats what it takes to find an alternative to oil, than so be it
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