Ryanwb

Rep. Phil Hanson from a district in Periora is lead sponser of House Resolution 2007 to replace the members of the Geographic and Historic Names board. Interestingly enough, the bill is co-sponsered by all but 1 of the house.

Even Napolitano is saying the name change was mishandled, but we will really see how she feels because if this passes the hosue and Senate....she could veto it.

I want to see retribution on this matter...its not so much the name of the moutain that bothers me, it was the way it was handled. The Gov. over stepped her bounds and abused her power, and even threatened people for their jobs if they did not change the name.

Krangthebrain

I agree somewhat with your reasoning here. Not many would have a problem with this situation if Nappy had dealt with it better.

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NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

WizardOfAz

From today's paper:

Any move to change the peak's name back to Squaw will likely meet with opposition.

"We would not be going forward . . . we would be going backward," said Alida Montiel of the Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, which supported the change to Piestewa Peak.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...iestewa10.html

Brian in Mesa

Maybe they should change it because of the crappy attitude of her family. They are disgracing her left and right these days by ripping the war that she volunteered to fight in. Maybe they're just upset that their 15 minutes of fame is almost over...

I personally think it should continue to be called Squaw Peak until it can go through the proper channels. Even naming things for Barry Goldwater had to wait until he had been dead for 5 years. The rules are the rules, except to Janet.

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WizardOfAz

From the same story:

House Majority Leader Eddie Farnsworth, R-Gilbert, said he is not supporting the bill to get the Squaw Peak moniker back.

The House should provide a united front on this one, it will get ugly either way and they shouldn't appear divided.

Krangthebrain

So the state should take away the honor given to LORI Piestewa, because of her families beliefs? That doesn't make much sense, unless it was the family being honored.

I totally agree with you on this one. No one would complain about the name change if it had been done properly (unless the person wanted to look like a bigot).

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Brian in Mesa

Sorry, that was total sarcasm.

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Krangthebrain

Me not understand this "sarcasm"?

You've got to remember, that I can be so serious at times, that sarcasm will fly right over my head (unless someone properly uses emoticons).

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Brian in Mesa

So what we have here is a sarchasm - a gap between the sarcasm used and your comprehension of it.

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Krangthebrain

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Brian in Mesa

Piestewa family goes from peak to valley

E.J. Montini
Republic columnist
Jan. 4, 2004

I would not have expected the family of Lori Piestewa to say anything negative about the media, the government or the war in Iraq in the days immediately following the news that their daughter, their sister, their mother had been killed in combat.

The pain was too fresh, the sorrow too intense, the need for comfort too great. Instead, they spoke in their grief of the snow that fell on Tuba City just hours after they learned of Lori's death. In Hopi, "piestewa" is said to be defined as rainwater that collects on the desert floor after a heavy downpour. Her family took the snow as a sign.

"She (Lori) came down in moisture and told us, 'I'm at peace with myself and I'm with the Creator,' " Lori's mother said.

Many months have passed since then, and it was only last week, after NBC aired video of a wounded Piestewa in an Iraqi hospital, that the family lashed out at the media, at the president, at the military, at the war.

"This terrorism was not from any foreign group wishing to harm the United States but from our own people wanting to make a quick buck off the misfortune of two young women," the Piestewa family said in a prepared statement.

They could have said the same thing in April, only days after they were notified that their daughter was dead. They could have said it of myself and others in the media who talked about changing the name of Squaw Peak in Phoenix to Piestewa Peak. National news organizations picked up the story. It would have been an opportunity for the family to decry the media, the war. They could have chosen to refuse the honor and condemn the government. But they didn't.

There were other chances. They could have said something in May when the Arizona Legislature decided to honor the state's fallen soldiers. They could have declared then, as they did last week, that politicians should instead think of "Lori dying in agony so that they realize from the comfort of their homes that war is not the only option."

But speaking out was not an option they chose. They could have said something when they attended services at Arlington National Cemetery and actually had a chance to meet the president. But all that Lori's mother said was, "I would like to say how very grateful and thankful we are to Mrs. Bush for having invited us to the White House."

There certainly was an opportunity to say something in June, when reports surfaced that Lori hadn't died in the field but was taken in critical condition to an Iraqi hospital. But they didn't issue a biting statement.

They could have said something in July, when rescued Pfc. Jessica Lynch called Piestewa her best friend and said, "It was an honor to have served with her."

They could have said something during the months that followed at any of the many memorial services for Lori that various family members have attended.

They might have taken the opportunity to express their dissatisfaction with the war in October when they were named grand marshals at the Native American Recognition Days parade in Phoenix.

And they certainly could have said something just last month when Saddam Hussein was captured. The family was contacted at the time and asked for a comment and Lori's brother called it "really good news."

It was the perfect opportunity for him to add, "But . . . " And then to go on a rant about the decision to attack Iraq, the media's role in promoting the war and the mistakes the Piestewa family believes were made by the military. But he didn't.

The family didn't say a thing until the tape of Lori was aired on NBC's Nightly News (though not locally on Channel 12). And while the footage shows a bandaged Piestewa licking her lips and being presented to the camera, airing it is not an act of "domestic terrorism." If anything, it shows that Piestewa received treatment during her last hours.

As the first Native American woman to give her life in combat, Lori deserves to have her name on a mountain. Her legacy remains firmly planted at the windy summit of Piestewa Peak even as her family descends to our noisier, smokier, less hallowed valley.

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Krangthebrain

Great article. I was flamed for criticizing the war, even after Saddam was caught, but as someone who disagrees with the war, I feel it is my duty to protest it at every turn.

The Piestewa family should be ashamed of themselves. If they truly didn't agree with the war, they should have said so at ever opportunity.

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

WizardOfAz

I tend to agree, however, I have know way to know how I would react if a family member of mine was shown on TV in the last hours of his/her life.

Ryanwb

Another issue I have with Piestawa peak:

Since Piestawa's death, there have been atleast 7 Arizonans killed in Iraq in combat (although I don't know if you can call it that since Bush ended the "war")

So my question is where are those other 7 people's mountains? Are their lives less important that Lori Piestawa's? Why do they not get a special memorial? The 5 year waiting period had a purpose and this is exactly the reason

Brian in Mesa

She was singled out and put above the rest because she was an Indian woman. It is a slap in the face of all the soldiers, regardless of race/culture, that have also died in this war.

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