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When some one wants to make one religion the official religion, and base the laws on it (their interpretation of that religion), then that is oppresion of those who do not share those beliefs. All of this talk is just white-supremecy dressed up pretty.
By running a state, county or town based on their "Christian" Values, they will by definition be infringing on other's rights. If you don't think living in a Theocracy is such a big deal, why don't you try living in Iran for a year or two, then come back and let me know how you liked it.
I would rather have a strong federal government, than a bunch of good ol' boys terrorizing the community, oppressing everyone else.
What's relieving though, is that most southerners don't agree with these kooks. The KKK is a backwater hillbilly organization, and to be honest, I've never even seen them in the south.
The south is becoming more like everywhere else in this country, especially places like Charlotte, Atlanta, and Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. When I visit my family in NC, a good percentage of the people that live there are from up north. People visit the south, and see a higher standard of living for a cheaper cost, so the south has become a very attractive place to live.
Theocracies are very dangerous, and especially the beliefs of the extreme right wing fundamentalist christians. They would crush many of the liberties that we hold dear, just because the bible says something.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Renz No, the United States isn't perfect. It is a republic created by human beings, therefore it is inherently flawed. But it is by far the best system that we've come up with so far.
Hold on, that's not what he said. He said:
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It is not about Liberal vs. Conservative - the US works great with both types.
The US does NOT work great with both types. Why? Because either one type or the other is in charge, never both. Partisanship is what rules this country. And yes, it's better than just about everything else out there, but still--don't you think there is gargantuan room for improvement?
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Yeah, I am making an assumption about the League of the South. But I feel pretty certain that if you were to check the membership roles of it and the KKK many of the same names would be present on both. Do any of you seriously believe otherwise? Without any knowledge of the leadership of the League of the South I would make a bet that David Duke is involved (perhaps behind the scene, but involved)!
The KKK is dying... they have to take a new approach to attempt to survive!
"2,300 people have signed League of the South petitions supporting a declaration of Southern independence and Southern states' right to secede." Let's see 2300 people out of approx. 83 million population (Southern States)...
Not a snowball's chance in Phoenix in July!
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Yeah, I am making an assumption about the League of the South. But I feel pretty certain that if you were to check the membership roles of it and the KKK many of the same names would be present on both. Do any of you seriously believe otherwise? Without any knowledge of the leadership of the League of the South I would make a bet that David Duke is involved (perhaps behind the scene, but involved)!
The KKK is dying... they have to take a new approach to attempt to survive!
"2,300 people have signed League of the South petitions supporting a declaration of Southern independence and Southern states' right to secede." Let's see 2300 people out of approx. 83 million population (Southern States)...
Not a snowball's chance in Phoenix in July!
I would have to agree with your ascertions here. Most southerners (and I'm talking 95%+) are very proud Americans, and would think this whole thing is bs.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Chaplin Hold on, that's not what he said. He said:
The US does NOT work great with both types. Why? Because either one type or the other is in charge, never both. Partisanship is what rules this country. And yes, it's better than just about everything else out there, but still--don't you think there is gargantuan room for improvement?
Of course there is room for improvement. That's why I said it wasn't perfect.
And you are wrong about one side or the other being in charge. One side is never in charge. The Legislative and Executive branches are rarely controlled by the same party and even when they are they still have to deal with the minority party to get anything passed.
Originally posted by Renz Of course there is room for improvement. That's why I said it wasn't perfect.
And you are wrong about one side or the other being in charge. One side is never in charge. The Legislative and Executive branches are rarely controlled by the same party and even when they are they still have to deal with the minority party to get anything passed.
hehehe!
The Iraq war alone is reason against that statement.
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I lived in San Antonio for a year, and I remember my pastor asking an older black gentleman to leave the church and go to a black church. Needless to say, I left too, and never came back.
There might not be "KKK," but that mentality is still very much alive.
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Originally posted by SirStefan32 I lived in San Antonio for a year, and I remember my pastor asking an older black gentleman to leave the church and go to a black church. Needless to say, I left too, and never came back.
There might not be "KKK," but that mentality is still very much alive.
Well done, Stefan. That type of attitude should never be tolerated.
The Ten Point Plan
WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities.
WE WANT FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE.
We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.
WE WANT AN END TO THE ROBBERY BY THE CAPITALISTS OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of our fifty million Black people. Therefore, we feel this is a modest demand that we make.
WE WANT DECENT HOUSING, FIT FOR THE SHELTER OF HUMAN BEINGS.
We believe that if the landlords will not give decent housing to our Black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people in our communities, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for the people.
WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY.
We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else.
WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE.
We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. We believe that mass health education and research programs must be developed to give all Black and oppressed people access to advanced scientific and medical information, so we may provide our selves with proper medical attention and care.
WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces.
WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION.
We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors.
WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. WE WANT TRIALS BY A JURY OF PEERS FOR All PERSONS CHARGED WITH SO-CALLED CRIMES UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY.
We believe that the many Black and poor oppressed people now held in United States prisons and jails have not received fair and impartial trials under a racist and fascist judicial system and should be free from incarceration. We believe in the ultimate elimination of all wretched, inhuman penal institutions, because the masses of men and women imprisoned inside the United States or by the United States military are the victims of oppressive conditions which are the real cause of their imprisonment. We believe that when persons are brought to trial they must be guaranteed, by the United States, juries of their peers, attorneys of their choice and freedom from imprisonment while awaiting trial.
WE WANT LAND, BREAD, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CLOTHING, JUSTICE, PEACE AND PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY CONTROL OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are most disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpation, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Originally posted by SirStefan32 I lived in San Antonio for a year, and I remember my pastor asking an older black gentleman to leave the church and go to a black church. Needless to say, I left too, and never came back.
There might not be "KKK," but that mentality is still very much alive.
I do disagree with one theme in this post and many posts on this topic...the south isn't anymore racist than anywhere else in this country. Racism is everywhere.
In fact, according to my girlfriend (who is black) and her family, the most racist part of this country is the northwest US. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Washington, etc. are the most racist areas.
Generally racism is caused mostly from a lack of exposure. Many southern whites that are racist, are racist because they haven't been around enough black people (segregation).
My dad's family has a black maid nicknamed "Dink". She has worked for my grandparents and aunt for over 50 years. My aunt's house isn't exactly clean either , she mostly smokes cigarettes and watches soap operas.
My family has accepted the fact that I have chosen to date someone outside of my own "race". They love my girlfriend to death (her name is Sahava, hebrew meaning "made of gold") and she is a part of the family now.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by CardLogic mcnabb, long post.... no point....?
Krang, just a question. What in Stefan's post indicates that racism is a "southern" issue?
Stefan, I commend you for your action in leaving that church. I hope that you told the leadership exactly why you were leaving.
Oh it wasn't just Stefan, it was the whole thread in general.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Dback Jon Yes, racism is not just a southern issue - but the thread was about a particular Southern form of racism .
Jon, do you enjoy living in Tennessee?
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Krangthebrain Jon, do you enjoy living in Tennessee?
It has its moments....it is nice to be closer to my parents (in Illinois), but on the whole, I'd rather be in Arizona. But my job is here, and I like the company I work for. But I don't hate it, by any means.
TN is ahead of the Deep South states like South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi. TN, along with NC, GA and FL have had a great influx of "Yankees", and are not as closed and backwards as the other states (IMHO).
Still, TN is a more closed/repressive society than I am used to. The Good 'ol boy network is still very much intact, and race very much matters. There is a lot less mixing of races socially here.
I also find attitudes toward things like alcohol, free speech (expression of anytype outside the "norm"), and life in general to be more stifling overall.
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