Sheriff Joke wastes more time on Obama - now wants draft card

Dback Jon · March 21st, 2012, 04:19 PM

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has asked the Selective Service System for help in his investigation into the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

The sheriff has asked the federal agency for the original Selective Service card completed by Obama in 1980.

Arpaio says his investigators had concluded Obama’s registration card was likely a forgery.

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Brian · March 21st, 2012, 05:34 PM

I saw a video breakdown of the SSR produced by the Obama camp. The info was pretty damning. Had to do with the stamp of the date. Apparently all SSR's stamped in 1980 actually are stamped "1980".

Obama's says only "80"

The claim is that a 2008 had the "08" sliced off and flipped.

NOTE: Do I think he has forged papers? Yes.

DO I CARE? Not at all. I think it's a dumb law that you need to be born here. Don't see the relevance.

krepitch · March 21st, 2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I saw a video breakdown of the SSR produced by the Obama camp. The info was pretty damning. Had to do with the stamp of the date. Apparently all SSR's stamped in 1980 actually are stamped "1980".

Obama's says only "80"

The claim is that a 2008 had the "08" sliced off and flipped.

NOTE: Do I think he has forged papers? Yes.

DO I CARE? Not at all. I think it's a dumb law that you need to be born here. Don't see the relevance.

Was this on 60 Minutes II?

Gaddabout · March 21st, 2012, 06:35 PM

Two days after the Babeu scandal broke, Arpaio had a crime sweep or some such thing. I'm convinced he was jealous of the attention Babeu was receiving, even though it ruined his career.

I think the thing I find scary about Arpaio is there's not a sincere bone in his body. He doesn't actually care about these issues, he just knows it draws cameras and galvanizes his base.

ajcardfan · March 21st, 2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I saw a video breakdown of the SSR produced by the Obama camp. The info was pretty damning. Had to do with the stamp of the date. Apparently all SSR's stamped in 1980 actually are stamped "1980".

Obama's says only "80"

The claim is that a 2008 had the "08" sliced off and flipped.

NOTE: Do I think he has forged papers? Yes.

DO I CARE? Not at all. I think it's a dumb law that you need to be born here. Don't see the relevance.

He could've been born in Mecca, and he'd still be a US Citizen.

His mother is unquestionably American and therefore any of her children are Americans, no matter where they are born. That's what I learned in Government class, and reading a bit on it, the courts have consistently held that position going all the way back to the 1790 citizenship law.

AzStevenCal · March 21st, 2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ajcardfan

He could've been born in Mecca, and he'd still be a US Citizen.

His mother is unquestionably American and therefore any of her children are Americans, no matter where they are born. That's what I learned in Government class, and reading a bit on it, the courts have consistently held that position going all the way back to the 1790 citizenship law.

That isn't quite the way I remember it from my freshman Political Science class several decades ago. Perhaps it's changed but to my recollection, gender was not part of the equation. If just one parent was a citizen and the citizen parent had lived at least 10 years in the US prior to the child's birth, of which at least 5 years had to have occurred after their 14th birthday, then the child qualifies as a citizen. I don't remember any exception based solely on the mother.

Steve

Edit: I was too lazy to look it up at the time but I've since read a little about it on Wiki. I did forget about the "out of wedlock" possibility in which case obviously there are requirements that must be met solely by the mother (or solely by the father). Also, the law has been changed since I went to school, now for a 2 parent situation (in wedlock) where only 1 parent is a US citizen, instead of 10 years a person must live in the US for 5 years and only 2 of those years had to have occurred after their 14th birthday as opposed to the 5 years required prior to the law changing (change is applicable to children born after November 14th, 1986). I have no idea what applies in the context of Obama as I've ignored the specifics, it seemed like a witch hunt to me.

RugbyMuffin · March 22nd, 2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

DO I CARE? Not at all. I think it's a dumb law that you need to be born here. Don't see the relevance.

The thinking is if the person is born here, he would be more inclined to do what is best for US citizens and US soil. While a foriegner may get into office, and manipulate the system so that our government works against its people and country in favor of another countries interests.

Good thinking, but what our fore fathers didn't see coming was the absolute, destructive greed that would arise in our government.

Our politicians and presidents do what is best for themselves, and would sell there own children for the right price. The worry of our government officials, presidents, and politicians working against our country and for another is a waste of time, because it has happened, and is currently happening now.

So, you are right with your opinion, but I just wanted to give you the reasoning for that law. Even though the greed of our home grown oligarchists makes the point void.

RedStorm · March 22nd, 2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ajcardfan

He could've been born in Mecca, and he'd still be a US Citizen.

His mother is unquestionably American and therefore any of her children are Americans, no matter where they are born. That's what I learned in Government class, and reading a bit on it, the courts have consistently held that position going all the way back to the 1790 citizenship law.

That's my understanding as well...

ajcardfan · March 22nd, 2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AzStevenCal

That isn't quite the way I remember it from my freshman Political Science class several decades ago. Perhaps it's changed but to my recollection, gender was not part of the equation. If just one parent was a citizen and the citizen parent had lived at least 10 years in the US prior to the child's birth, of which at least 5 years had to have occurred after their 14th birthday, then the child qualifies as a citizen. I don't remember any exception based solely on the mother.

Steve

Edit: I was too lazy to look it up at the time but I've since read a little about it on Wiki. I did forget about the "out of wedlock" possibility in which case obviously there are requirements that must be met solely by the mother (or solely by the father). Also, the law has been changed since I went to school, now for a 2 parent situation (in wedlock) where only 1 parent is a US citizen, instead of 10 years a person must live in the US for 5 years and only 2 of those years had to have occurred after their 14th birthday as opposed to the 5 years required prior to the law changing (change is applicable to children born after November 14th, 1986). I have no idea what applies in the context of Obama as I've ignored the specifics, it seemed like a witch hunt to me.

I only mentioned the mother because eveyone knows Obama's father was Kenyan.

Gaddabout · March 22nd, 2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RugbyMuffin

Good thinking, but what our fore fathers didn't see coming was the absolute, destructive greed that would arise in our government.

What I think the forefathers didn't see was a world so small that you could live in Paris and conceivably spend 3 or 4 days a week in New York. They certainly could not dream of an American government that maintained 900 military bases overseas in 120 countries around the world. Or that we would maintain embassies in almost every country in the world. Or that we would support multi-national companies in every nook and cranny and cove and cave anyplace there's a natural resource to exploit.

Consolidated capitalism and politics of similar ilk have forever changed the very idea of what 'citizenship' is. Our laws have just failed to keep up.

AzStevenCal · March 22nd, 2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ajcardfan

I only mentioned the mother because eveyone knows Obama's father was Kenyan.

Right, but the issue would be whether the child was born in wedlock. If so, it wouldn't matter which parent was a US citizen, the same test of citizenship is applied. In this case, as Barack was born prior to 1986, the parent that was a US citizen (the mother) would have had to have spent at least 10 years in the United States prior to his birth and at least 5 of those years had to have occurred after her 14th birthday.

Steve

ajcardfan · March 22nd, 2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AzStevenCal

Right, but the issue would be whether the child was born in wedlock. If so, it wouldn't matter which parent was a US citizen, the same test of citizenship is applied. In this case, as Barack was born prior to 1986, the parent that was a US citizen (the mother) would have had to have spent at least 10 years in the United States prior to his birth and at least 5 of those years had to have occurred after her 14th birthday.

Steve

No problem on any of that. She never left the States until 1967 when she and Barack lived in Indonesia for a while.

I've never read about her before, and was interested to read that our families crossed paths in Vernon, Texas of all places.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

AzStevenCal · March 22nd, 2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ajcardfan

No problem on any of that. She never left the States until 1967 when she and Barack lived in Indonesia for a while.

I've never read about her before, and was interested to read that our families crossed paths in Vernon, Texas of all places.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

Yeah, I've never bought into this absurd challenge on his citizenship.

Steve

UncleChris · March 25th, 2012, 08:58 PM

Interesting read

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

LVG · March 25th, 2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleChris

Interesting read

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

Next up, Sheriff Joe investigates Snopes!