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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:08 AM   #1
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Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa is hoping to stamp out the sex trade


This report shows several things.

First, yes there are folks out there with an agenda and it's an incremental one. The idea is to stamp out what they consider imoral.

Second lets masacarde this as something else and the usual one is to throw 'protection of children'. Not that that's a bad thing it's just that is not the point here. Stopping prostitution is, not that this has any chance of succeeding.

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa is hoping to stamp out the sex trade by taxing pimps and prostitutes, then jailing them when they don't pay.
The Senate Finance Committee is expected to vote Wednesday morning on the pimp tax. The bill also calls for more jail time for sex workers.
If passed, the provision will authorize at least $2 million toward the establishment of an office in the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation unit to prosecute unlawful sex workers for violations of tax laws.
"Recent headlines have focused on sex trafficking in connection with the World Cup in Germany," Grassley said. "This vile crime is under our noses in the United States, and it's a no-brainer to have the IRS go after sex traffickers. Prosecuting these tax code violations can get these guys off the street and yank from their grasp the girls and women they exploit."
Grassley said the problem is "especially horrible" when underage girls are involved.
Asked if taxing sex workers would legitimize their trade, a Grassley spokesman said the goal was simply to find "yet another alternative to track the money flowing in this industry to get at potential criminals."
Currently, the IRS has to prove a prostitute's or pimp's income to pursue a tax law violation. But under Grassley's proposal, a pimp could get up to 10 years in prison for each prostitute for whom the pimp hasn't filed a W-2, which means a pimp caught with 10 unregistered prostitutes faces a century in prison.
Carol Leigh, a representative of the Bay Area Sex Worker Advocacy Network in San Francisco, California, called the proposal short-sighted.
"Forced labor, kidnapping should be targeted. But this legislation broadly targets the sex trade in general, and could target your local strip club," Leigh said. "We want laws enforced against those who abuse us, against those who are violent, and enforcement of labor regulations. That is the only truly effective way to protect the welfare of the women who work in the industry."
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:17 AM   #2
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Trafficking of women is an enormous problem worldwide and I definitely agree that we need to do something about it, but I don't think taxing illegal activities is the brightest idea I've ever heard on this topic.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:18 AM   #3
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Agreed and agreed.

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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:08 AM   #4
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Not a bad idea. Throw all the pimps in jail.

I'm sure we could find enough good souls on this board who would be willing to adopt the 18+ year old girls and give them a good home. After all, we wouldn't want them to be wandering the streets at night and get into trouble just because all their pimps were in jail.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:12 AM   #5
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Trafficking of women is an enormous problem worldwide and I definitely agree that we need to do something about it, but I don't think taxing illegal activities is the brightest idea I've ever heard on this topic.
Kinda like making pot legal and taxing it....
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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:13 AM   #6
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Trafficking of women is an enormous problem worldwide and I definitely agree that we need to do something about it, but I don't think taxing illegal activities is the brightest idea I've ever heard on this topic.
My thoughts exactly. How can we tax illegal activities? It's like saying "you're not allowed to do this, but, if you do, we're gonna collect taxes." Moronic.
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It's just an incremental step in the legislate our morals
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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:26 AM   #8
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It's just an incremental step in the legislate our morals
Yeah, well they won't be able to legislate my morals. I don't have any. That'll learn em.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:39 AM   #9
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Trafficking of women is an enormous problem worldwide and I definitely agree that we need to do something about it, but I don't think taxing illegal activities is the brightest idea I've ever heard on this topic.
It's been done before. Years ago they enacted a drug stamp that was required to sell drugs, including illegal drugs. The idea wasn't that drug dealers would buy the stamps and get caught, the idea was when they busted a dealer, they could not only charge them with traficking, they can charge them with tax evasion.

I suspect that's the idea here too.
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Kinda like making pot legal and taxing it....
I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you talking about making prostitution legal? Even if you did that, trafficking of women would still need to be illegal, IMO.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 12:22 PM   #11
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Kinda like making pot legal and taxing it....

And what is wrong with that?

I advocate that...
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It's just an incremental step in the legislate our morals
I have always had a problem with this statement. Laws are moral. Are they not? We never intend to ever legislate and come up with laws that are immoral.

Now, you might disagree with what is moral and what immoral or even amoral. But, laws should reflect what a society deems as being moral.

Society should decide what the moral standards are. We vote to put people in positions that are to reflect that morality. Nothing wrong with it.
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I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you talking about making prostitution legal? Even if you did that, trafficking of women would still need to be illegal, IMO.
Goes to the point that in order to tax something you have to make it legal. I oppose making either legal.
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Let me rephrase that.

The intent is to encode the conservative evangelical christian definition of moral into law.

That is what concerns me and I can't think of any other way to say it.
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Let me rephrase that.

The intent is to encode the conservative evangelical christian definition of moral into law.

That is what concerns me and I can't think of any other way to say it.
That's better. Now, let people vote their conscience. Majority rules.
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