Screw the Pope - Page 7

Dback Jon · April 3rd, 2003, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
But this is okay?

just your's, Audry because it seems like you have a constant 30 day repeating cycle.

Please provide a list of things for us, less knowing christians on what is OKAY and NOT OKAY to joke about.

Mike

After all, the "woman's time of the month" is mentioned numerous times in the Bible - lots of prohibitions, etc (none that we follow today, of course - we ignore those scriptures).

Dback Jon · April 3rd, 2003, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
1) Be free to concentrate on ministry.

Just like the Pope

Coyote Tony · April 3rd, 2003, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Just like the Pope

big difference ... he is forced to. I am not.

Dback Jon · April 3rd, 2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
big difference ... he is forced to. I am not.

Some Cardinal have a gun to his head? I think he voluntarily choose that lifestyle.

Chandler Mike · April 3rd, 2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
1) Be free to concentrate on ministry.

Mike's List of Lame Reasons not to be Married

#1 - Be free to concentrate on ministry.

My pastor is a minister and works 24/7, yet has time for a wife, a family, etc.

I don't buy that. It may be a benefit from not being married, but I don't think ministers who aren't married can really be as effective in their messages as someone who is.

Mike

Dback Jon · April 3rd, 2003, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Mike's List of Lame Reasons not to be Married

#1 - Be free to concentrate on ministry.

My pastor is a minister and works 24/7, yet has time for a wife, a family, etc.

I don't buy that. It may be a benefit from not being married, but I don't think ministers who aren't married can really be as effective in their messages as someone who is.

Mike

I am glad my Dad did feel the same way CT does.......

Oh, and he was very effective as a minister

Brian in Mesa · April 3rd, 2003, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
big difference ... he is forced to. I am not.

Priests, the Pope, etc not being "allowed" to marry...

That's just another non-biblical practice regulated by the dogma of the Catholic church.

Priests used to marry, until the Catholic church changed their "rules."

Historical example: St. Patrick was the son of a priest.

Coyote Tony · April 3rd, 2003, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Mike's List of Lame Reasons not to be Married

#1 - Be free to concentrate on ministry.

My pastor is a minister and works 24/7, yet has time for a wife, a family, etc.

I don't buy that. It may be a benefit from not being married, but I don't think ministers who aren't married can really be as effective in their messages as someone who is.

Mike

I guess you don't buy scripture then ... I never said it was essential ... I just listed one of the scriptural reasons why not to get married.

FischerKing · April 3rd, 2003, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Priests, the Pope, etc not being "allowed" to marry...

That's just another non-biblical practice regulated by the dogma of the Catholic church.

Priests used to marry, until the Catholic church changed their "rules."

Historical example: St. Patrick was the son of a priest.

Peter was married and his wife accompanied him on his Missionary travels.

Shawn
UBAT Charter Member

Dback Jon · April 3rd, 2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
I guess you don't buy scripture then ... I never said it was essential ... I just listed one of the scriptural reasons why not to get married.

Is this what the Catholics use to justify their requirements of celibacy for unmarried priests?

And yes, you can be married and be a priest - if you are married, and then decide to become a priest, they don't make you divorce.....

Coyote Tony · April 3rd, 2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Is this what the Catholics use to justify their requirements of celibacy for unmarried priests?

And yes, you can be married and be a priest - if you are married, and then decide to become a priest, they don't make you divorce.....

You'd have to ask a Catholic what they use to justify them not marrying. I know of at least RC priest who is married and it was just as you say, he was married minister and became a catholic priest.

Brian in Mesa · April 3rd, 2003, 11:05 AM

BTW: Catholic priests do not marry because Jesus was not married. They are "married to their ministry."

I have no idea how this carries over to nuns.

Coyote Tony · April 3rd, 2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Mike's List of Lame Reasons not to be Married

#1 - Be free to concentrate on ministry.

My pastor is a minister and works 24/7, yet has time for a wife, a family, etc.

I don't buy that. It may be a benefit from not being married, but I don't think ministers who aren't married can really be as effective in their messages as someone who is.

Mike

1 Corinthians 7:32-35

And I want you to be free from concern. The unmarried man is concerned about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is concerned about the things of the world, how to please his wife, and he is divided. An unmarried woman and virgin is concerned about the things of the Lord, to be holy both in body and spirit. But the married woman is concerned about the things of the world, how to please her husband. I am saying this for your benefit, not to place a limitation on you, but so that without distraction you may give notable and constant service to the Lord.

2 Tony 3:12-14
It's great when a minister has a wife so devoted to god and to her husband that not only allows him to minister but helps in in ministry and makes him better. But, it is also rare. I know a lot of marriages that have been ruined either through divorce or non-communication because the husband was a minister as well.

Dback Jon · April 3rd, 2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
1 Corinthians 7:32-35

And I want you to be free from concern. The unmarried man is concerned about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is concerned about the things of the world, how to please his wife, and he is divided. An unmarried woman and virgin is concerned about the things of the Lord, to be holy both in body and spirit. But the married woman is concerned about the things of the world, how to please her husband. I am saying this for your benefit, not to place a limitation on you, but so that without distraction you may give notable and constant service to the Lord.

This would seem to suggest that one can not be married and be an effective minister, but we know that is false. So is Paul wrong about this?

Coyote Tony · April 3rd, 2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
BTW: Catholic priests do not marry because Jesus was not married. They are "married to their ministry."

I have no idea how this carries over to nuns.

I do not like the RC church. It was a high paying, high profile job for sons who did not get to inherit their father's land hundreds of years ago. The eldest son got what the father had left and the other sons got nothing. Therefore, their father would bribe their way into the priesthood. It was a total joke.