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Originally posted by Coyote Tony Sounds to me like the perception is your guys doing and not mine. I can't do a thing about you percieve.
But I can pray for you that you actually start to understand and believe the Bible. I still can't believe someone claiming to be a believer and follower of Christ would say that ministry is not a good answer for staying single ... it is clearly written in God's Word. Would be a good idea for you to spend regular time in it.
Wow, there you go again...your post is laced with judgemental, holier-than-thou undertones.
I am a believer, and follower of Christ, and I believe a minister can be married and do just as good a job as someone not married.
So that makes me not a Christian in your eyes? Suddenly you seem to "know" that I don't study the Bible as much as you do?
The nerve you have sometimes...well, all the time really.
Mike
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Originally posted by Coyote Tony Behaviour ... nothing wrong with that spelling.
Not if you're British or Canadian. But here in the States it is correctly spelled behavior. No doubt you've lived in the US and Canada, which explains your intermixing of Canadian and American spellings.
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Originally posted by Chandler Mike Wow, there you go again...your post is laced with judgemental, holier-than-thou undertones.
I am a believer, and follower of Christ, and I believe a minister can be married and do just as good a job as someone not married.
So that makes me not a Christian in your eyes? Suddenly you seem to "know" that I don't study the Bible as much as you do?
The nerve you have sometimes...well, all the time really.
Mike
I have no doubt you are a believer. I never claimed that all ministers should not marry. Seems like you are the one doing the judging. What would you call someone who claims to be a christian yet calls something from the Bible hogwash and a joke?
Originally posted by Coyote Tony Thought about it. And of course it comes out to the same thing ... the so-called believers on this sight love to interact in questionable behaviours with the non-christians. As I said before, there is a HUGE difference between being a friend OF sinners and being a friend WITH sinners.
So now you are claiming that I participate and condone certain sins simply because I disagree with how you go about condemning them? Get real - that's a joke. The Pharisees didn't agree with what the common populace was doing - neither did Jesus. But Jesus didn't agree with how they (Pharisees) were conducting their religious business either. Why? Because they were vain and hypocritical. They lacked compassion - they were only concerned with outward displays of worship - not truth and spiritual worship.
Shawn
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Originally posted by Coyote Tony I have no doubt you are a believer. I never claimed that all ministers should not marry. Seems like you are the one doing the judging. What would you call someone who claims to be a christian yet calls something from the Bible hogwash and a joke?
Originally posted by FischerKing So now you are claiming that I participate and condone certain sins simply because I disagree with how you go about condemning them? Get real - that's a joke. The Pharisees didn't agree with what the common populace was doing - neither did Jesus. But Jesus didn't agree with how they (Pharisees) were conducting their religious business either. Why? Because they were vain and hypocritical. They lacked compassion - they were only concerned with outward displays of worship - not truth and spiritual worship.
Shawn
The Pharisees exploited their position for their own profit ... they used the people as pawns to advance themselves ... different situations.
Originally posted by Coyote Tony You did not use those words, but most definitely conveyed that meaning. Please don't bother to deny it.
My meaning was that your opinion stated that in order to be a good minister, you HAVE to be single...that was the point I was disagreeing with.
That is hogwash...sure, maybe you can have less things in your WAY of being a minister if you're single, but you can still be a good one if you're married.
Originally posted by Chandler Mike My meaning was that your opinion stated that in order to be a good minister, you HAVE to be single...that was the point I was disagreeing with.
That is hogwash...sure, maybe you can have less things in your WAY of being a minister if you're single, but you can still be a good one if you're married.
Mike
Exactly.
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Originally posted by Chandler Mike My meaning was that your opinion stated that in order to be a good minister, you HAVE to be single...that was the point I was disagreeing with.
That is hogwash...sure, maybe you can have less things in your WAY of being a minister if you're single, but you can still be a good one if you're married.
Mike
Thx for proving my point. It was your perception of what you thought my opinion was when in fact my opinion is not that at all. I guess I am being arrogant here because with your lastest post you reveal that you were judging me ... judging me incorrectly I might add.
Here's exactly what I said the way I said it:
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Originally posted by Coyote Tony
Here's a legit answer: Nope, not looking nor wanting any woman to come up to me saying that crap. I am just happy where God has me. Scriptures are very clear that marriage is not for everyone and there are many good reasons not to be married.
and you are actually telling me that because of this answer you got that I said no good minister can be married?? Please ... don't even bother ...
Originally posted by Coyote Tony Here's exactly what I said the way I said it:
and you are actually telling me that because of this answer you got that I said no good minister can be married?? Please ... don't even bother ...
Well...you said it was rare.
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Originally posted by Coyote Tony 2 Tony 3:12-14
It's great when a minister has a wife so devoted to god and to her husband that not only allows him to minister but helps in in ministry and makes him better. But, it is also rare. I know a lot of marriages that have been ruined either through divorce or non-communication because the husband was a minister as well.
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Originally posted by Coyote Tony The Pharisees exploited their position for their own profit ... they used the people as pawns to advance themselves ... different situations.
That wasn't the only thing nor was it the primary thing that they were guilty of.
Shawn
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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa Well...you said it was rare.
And ... what did I say?? Did I ever say that it could not happen? To have a wife that makes a man a better minister is rare ... a beautiful rare gift ... pick out one post ... any one post that I said it was impossible for a married man to be a good minister.
Originally posted by FischerKing That wasn't the only thing nor was it the primary thing that they were guilty of.
Shawn
You are correct. They were also very judgmental ... such as claiming other people are arrogant. I wonder who said that??? I laughed when I saw that post of your's. Have we ever met? No. Am I arrogant? None of my friends of over 13 years, my church or family thinks so ... Your perception is based on what? What you read the way you read it, not the way I type it. I am confident in what I know, not because I am more educated then anybody else but because God's Word is clear. Am I arrogant? No. I am grateful for God removing the viel of spiritual blindness. You may not like my boldness in publically calling sin SIN, but I don't care. There is nobody in my life who does not know what matters most to me. I freely announce that I am a Bible believing Christian ... and I won't back down when challeneged or made fun of. Is that arrogance? Nope. But, you have judged it to be so.
Arrogance - a feeling or an impression of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims.
The impression - based on how you approach the topics/threads is that you are overbearing. You may not think so, but then you may be too close to perceive it any other way - something about the forest and the trees comes to mind.
Anyway - the "friends" argument doesn't really hold any water either. We typically gravitate to those people that we feel most comfortable with - who share our same likes and dislikes and who are very much like ourselves. Just because you hang out with friends who don't think you are doesn't meant that you aren't.
Again (from a previous conversation about a year ago) - Jesus was not standoffish with the people that he communicated with and taught. They sought him out, they invited him over for a meal, they invited him to parties, they invited him into their homes to visit. He was approachable. He was personable.
He was practical in his approach and in his ministry.
Shawn
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