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I'm a straight up athiest, accept gay people, don't care about who believes what about the nature of the universe and reality until they spew ignorant intolerance based on their interpretation of an ancient book written by people, not "god".
I drink,have great sex outside marriage, spell words like "behavior" correctly...
you know the guy with multiple wives ... one even being 13 years old. OK, now i understand
Then later..........
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Originally posted by Coyote Tony I'm comparing adult marriages. Jon says he is an adult and he should marry whomever he wants ... so does that mormon guy ... so do his adult wives. What's the difference?
You try to denegrate gay marriage by comparing it to someone who marries a 13 year old (by the way, there have been plenty of "Christian" heterosexual men who have married 13-year olds - Jerry Lee Lewis ring a bell??. Then you claim you are comparing "Adult" marriages. Do you even remember what you post?
Another good example of how gays come under fire, and have to fight for their jobs........
Utah court rules in favor of lesbian teacher
Saturday, April 5, 2003 Posted: 12:05 PM EST (1705 GMT)
SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- The Utah Supreme Court on Friday left it up to education officials whether to fire a lesbian high school teacher.
The ruling was a victory for psychology teacher Wendy Weaver, who came under attack from parents and students at Spanish Fork High School in a heavily Mormon part of Utah.
Teachers are required by law to be moral models for their students. A lawsuit accused Weaver of failing to be a good role model because her lifestyle conflicted with state laws prohibiting sodomy.
Weaver, who now uses her unmarried name Wendy Chandler, said the court's decision was a relief.
"What they were going after was not really within their right as citizens to do," Weaver said of her critics. "I also believe that they're scared to have their kids see someone who is gay but who functions and is happy and they like. That doesn't go with their perception that gay people are evil or unhealthy."
Weaver, a 1979 Brigham Young University graduate, continues to teach at the school because her ex-husband, children and partner's children live nearby.
She disclosed her sexuality when asked by curious students in 1997. Shortly thereafter, the high school barred her from talking about her sexuality, and Weaver later won a federal lawsuit against the Nebo School District for that requirement.
Parents and students tried to remove Weaver by complaining to the local school board, but the district did not fire the award-winning, 20-year teacher.
They then pursued the case in the state's 4th District Court, but Judge Ray Harding Jr. dismissed the lawsuit in 1999. Those seeking to oust Weaver then sought a declaration from the state Supreme Court saying she was unfit to teach. The declaration would have forced the school board to dismiss Weaver, attorney Matthew Hilton told the Supreme Court in October.
The court declined, saying Weaver's opponents "lack a legally protectible interest in this controversy."
Disciplinary action and complaints must be handled by the Professional Practices Advisory Commission, the disciplinary arm of the state board of education, the court ruled.
Any complaints against teachers "must be taken before the only bodies authorized to act in this regard: the local school district, the Commission, or the State Board of Education," the court said.
Hilton was disappointed with the ruling, but he is seeking clarification from state education officials about the requirement that teachers be good role models.
"At least we're entitled to have the state office to tell us if we're right or wrong," Hilton said.
Originally posted by Coyote Tony Sure, the Christian label has been watered down and when someone calls themselves a Christian I do not automatically think they are. I investigate superficially at first and more indepth as we talk. I try to discover what church they go to, how much of the Bible they know, their view of scripture and their concept of what a Christian is ... regardless of the name one wishes to call themsevles their beliefs will tell if they are believers or not ... I have even met people claiming to be born again and then as I investigate deeper realize they have the correct terms but not the correct understanding of them. They simply repeat what they have been told.
You can't be serious, can you? You carry those balls around in a wheelbarrow?
Originally posted by Coyote Tony And they are all adults. He wants to marry more women ... his first wife doesn't mind... his new wives don't mind ... their all adults ... right.
Man, you give me the creeps.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go put on my Nikes and make myself ziplock fresh.
Whadya say? Grape or black-cherry Kool Aid??
Hale Bop is coming! Woo hoo!
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You can't ride home on a bowl of goat.
I've always said that.
Originally posted by andikrist I'm a straight up athiest, accept gay people, don't care about who believes what about the nature of the universe and reality until they spew ignorant intolerance based on their interpretation of an ancient book written by people, not "god".
I drink,have great sex outside marriage, spell words like "behavior" correctly...
Behaviour ... nothing wrong with that spelling. Your behaviours are your responsibility. Your beliefs are your choice.
Originally posted by Dback Jon Tony the Hypocrite thus sayeth:
Then later..........
You try to denegrate gay marriage by comparing it to someone who marries a 13 year old (by the way, there have been plenty of "Christian" heterosexual men who have married 13-year olds - Jerry Lee Lewis ring a bell??. Then you claim you are comparing "Adult" marriages. Do you even remember what you post?
Originally posted by tommcnabb You can't be serious, can you? You carry those balls around in a wheelbarrow?
So, YOU decide who is a real Christian or not?
Don't you repeat what you have been told?
I truly believe that you need help.
Only God knows the heart. The Bible clearly states a person will be known by their actions. I can judge actions and it is clearly shown in the scriptures that homosexuality is not acceptable behaviour and viewed as a sin. Am I repeating what I have been told? No. I am giving you the answer after studying the Bible.
Originally posted by SECTION 11 Man, you give me the creeps.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go put on my Nikes and make myself ziplock fresh.
Whadya say? Grape or black-cherry Kool Aid??
Hale Bop is coming! Woo hoo!
Yes, you're very funny. NOT!
The point is using the line "I am an adult and therefore should be allowed to marry whoever I want" means nothing. Some adults have proven time after time that they do not make the best nor even the right decisions.
Originally posted by Coyote Tony Shawn, my prayer for you will is that one day soon your spiritual maturity will finally understand the difference of being a friend of sinners and being a friend with sinners is all about.
My prayer for you is that God will wake you up to how ignorant and self-righteous you sound to everyone...you CAN be a christian and NOT sound like an arrogant, pompous fool.
That's why we don't want to be lumped in with you...you give christians a bad name when you act the way you do.
Originally posted by Chandler Mike My prayer for you is that God will wake you up to how ignorant and self-righteous you sound to everyone...you CAN be a christian and NOT sound like an arrogant, pompous fool.
That's why we don't want to be lumped in with you...you give christians a bad name when you act the way you do.
Mike
Sounds to me like the perception is your guys doing and not mine. I can't do a thing about you percieve.
But I can pray for you that you actually start to understand and believe the Bible. I still can't believe someone claiming to be a believer and follower of Christ would say that ministry is not a good answer for staying single ... it is clearly written in God's Word. Would be a good idea for you to spend regular time in it.
Originally posted by Chandler Mike Yes, very interesting...maybe you should sit back and think on that one for a bit...
Mike
Thought about it. And of course it comes out to the same thing ... the so-called believers on this sight love to interact in questionable behaviours with the non-christians. As I said before, there is a HUGE difference between being a friend OF sinners and being a friend WITH sinners.
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