Enjoy an Ads-Free ASFN - lighter and faster too! Become an ASFN-Contributor and help support the site.
Go Back   Arizona Sports Fans Network > Other Stuff > Politics and Religion

Welcome to ASFN Fan Forums! We're glad to have you here. Please feel free to browse the forum. We'd like to invite you to join our community; doing so will enable you to view additional forums and post with our other members.


Registered Members don't see these ads. Register now it's free!
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old June 12th, 2008, 12:52 PM   #1
Louis
Registered
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,315
A$FN: 6,507

SCOTUS Gives Detainees Rights


Spoiler:


By Joan Biskupic, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Supreme Court justices will hear a dispute next week over the rights of Guantanamo detainees that presents a fundamental question of prisoners' ability to be heard in court. The case arises as the justices increasingly exert their authority in terror-related clashes.

In recent years, the Supreme Court and President Bush have engaged in a contentious series of chess moves over the legal rights of foreigners held at Guantanamo and detainees elsewhere. Three times since 2004, the court ruled against Bush detention policies. In opinions and statements from the bench, the justices have shown particular impatience with administration efforts to keep detainees' cases from federal judges.

"The court doesn't like to be told, 'You don't have a role to play here,' " University of Chicago law professor Dennis Hutchinson says.

At the same time, Hutchinson and other legal experts observe, the justices have voiced concern over the administration's power to deal with terrorist threats. "I think that many of the justices have approached these cases pragmatically," Vanderbilt law professor Suzanna Sherry says. "There is no clear right answer. They are trying to balance the need to prevent terrorism with individual rights."

Court reconsiders

One signal of the justices' interest in monitoring terrorism cases was their handling of the dispute they will hear Dec. 5. In April, the justices declined to intervene in the case. On June 29, in an unprecedented order, they reconsidered and announced they would decide the Guantanamo prisoners' basic rights after all.

Justice John Paul Stevens, 87, a World War II veteran who earned the Bronze Star, has taken the lead on recent court actions against the administration. Stevens, appointed by President Gerald Ford in 1975, was a law clerk at the Supreme Court in the late 1940s as justices considered disputes lingering from World War II.

Sherry says the court seems keenly aware of its role now and some missteps during that era. She cites a case in 1944 in which the court upheld an order forcing Japanese-Americans to leave their homes in California and other Western states after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. In that case, Korematsu v. United States, the court agreed with the U.S. government that the war justified targeting Americans based on their race. The ruling has been widely criticized in the decades since.
"The court as an institution learned something from the mistake it made," Sherry says.

The new dispute plays directly into tensions over judges' role in prisoners' cases. It tests whether foreigners at the U.S.-run naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a right to challenge their imprisonment by seeking a writ of habeas corpus.

For centuries in the Anglo-American tradition, prisoners could obtain the writ to assert they should not be locked up. A writ of habeas corpus (Latin for "you have the body") requires whoever holds the prisoner to allow him to make his case of unlawful confinement. The Constitution says a writ of habeas corpus, called the "Great Writ," may be suspended only "in cases of rebellion or invasion."

In October 2006, in response to a Supreme Court ruling and at the administration's urging, Congress passed a law saying no Guantanamo prisoner could seek a writ.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected a challenge to the law by two groups of detainees and ruled in February that the law properly stripped federal courts of authority over the detainees.

The court majority relied in part on a 1950 case for the principle that U.S. judges cannot hear claims outside the USA from foreign detainees. In the opinion by Judge Raymond Randolph, the appeals court narrowly interpreted a Supreme Court decision in 2004 that the Guantanamo detainees can get into U.S. court based on a long-standing federal law.

In dissent, Judge Judith Rogers said the majority was "ignoring the Supreme Court's well-considered" views from that 2004 case, Rasul v. Bush. Congress should have provided a sufficient alternative to a habeas proceeding, Rogers said, or established the grounds for suspending the writ.

When the detainees appealed, the high court, over the dissent of three of the nine justices, spurned the petitions.

However, two justices who joined in rejecting the appeals (Stevens and Anthony Kennedy) said the issues were important and signaled that they would watch developments. By late June, a majority had decided to intervene and announced the court would hear the twin cases of Boumediene v. Bush and Al Odah v. United States.

Military reviews
The court's decision came amid increasing public questions about the adequacy of military reviews set up for the prisoners and rising domestic and international pressure to close the Guantanamo prison.

In one of the paired cases, the lead challenger is Lakhdar Boumediene, an Algerian who was arrested in Bosnia in 2001 in connection with a suspected plot to attack the U.S. Embassy in Sarajevo. The other lead challenger is Khaled Al Odah, a Kuwaiti citizen who was captured in Pakistan in 2002.

U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement stresses that the prisoners "were captured abroad in the course of an ongoing military conflict and … have at all times been detained outside the sovereign territory of the United States." He says they do not qualify for a writ of habeas corpus but even if they did, the combatant-status reviews are a sufficient substitute.

Seth Waxman, a former U.S. solicitor general in the Clinton administration who represents Boumediene and will argue for all the detainees involved, said the military screening is not enough.

"Habeas is a judicial remedy; it cannot be replaced by a process that … is ultimately controlled by the jailer," Waxman said, noting that the reviews are conducted by military officials, not independent judges. He said the process does not allow prisoners to have lawyers or to present their own evidence.

The cases have drawn extensive "friend of the court" briefs since they first came to the justices last spring, overwhelmingly on the side of the detainees. Among them was one from former federal judges, diplomats and others, including Karen Korematsu-Haigh, daughter of Fred Korematsu, whose challenge to the orders forcing Japanese-Americans from their homes was spurned in 1944.

She signed a brief that said, "The Constitution entrusts to the courts the ultimate protection of individual liberty — especially in times of national anxiety and stress."


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...rt-gitmo_n.htm

Article in spoiler so as not to spoil Donald's thread.

Thumbs up to the Supreme Court for doing this.
Registered Members don't see these ads. Register now it's free!

Last edited by Louis; June 12th, 2008 at 12:58 PM.
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #2
justAndy
Jolly Nihilist
 

Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Old Town Scottsdale
Posts: 6,858
A$FN: 1,240
Yes - the Supreme Court is staffed by humans - who are influenced by social mores of their time. I don't blame them for being wrong in the past - I'm happy that they are doing the right thing today.
__________________
"Seachicken - it's what's for dinner" - me (until the 'Hawks sweep the Cards)
Check out Dephinger on our MySpace page.
justAndy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 03:48 PM   #3
Kolo
Registered User
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,306
A$FN: 1,000
If this means that now we'll ship not only the big-wigs, but all the foreign jihadists we capture to nameless foreign detention facilities where we really do squeeze them for information, I'm all for it.
Kolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 04:48 PM   #4
swd1974
Registered User
 
swd1974's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 13,456
A$FN: 10,648
Send a message via AIM to swd1974
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolobotomy View Post
If this means that now we'll ship not only the big-wigs, but all the foreign jihadists we capture to nameless foreign detention facilities where we really do squeeze them for information, I'm all for it.
How about the 40 or so 'jihadists' that we held for over 3 years only to find out they had nothing to do whatsoever with anything Islam? Thye desrved to lose 3 years of their life? One was a white german with young children.

I wish we could do this type of thing to Bush and his followers so they can get a taste.

Change our foreign policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you happen to see Bush's response. Well, we will just has to change some legislature then. Sure make up the rules as you go along.

my god November cannot come soon enough!
__________________
Goal for 2008: Half as many penalties.
swd1974 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #5
KloD
Pimping Freedom Ain't Easy
 
Cosmic Defender Champion!
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 8,210
A$FN: 21,373
The human race: 1
Chickenhawk sofa soldiers: 0
KloD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 07:23 PM   #6
KloD
Pimping Freedom Ain't Easy
 
Cosmic Defender Champion!
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 8,210
A$FN: 21,373
Quote:
Originally Posted by swd1974 View Post
How about the 40 or so 'jihadists' that we held for over 3 years only to find out they had nothing to do whatsoever with anything Islam? Thye desrved to lose 3 years of their life? One was a white german with young children.

I wish we could do this type of thing to Bush and his followers so they can get a taste.

Change our foreign policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you happen to see Bush's response. Well, we will just has to change some legislature then. Sure make up the rules as you go along.

my god November cannot come soon enough!
Keep posting, I like the new you! My lord, I think I've agreed with every post you've had these past few days.
KloD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 09:23 PM   #7
Divide Et Impera
Registered User
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Maricopa, AZ
Posts: 8,605
A$FN: 2,740
Quote:
Originally Posted by KloD View Post
Keep posting, I like the new you! My lord, I think I've agreed with every post you've had these past few days.
No kidding! He's a new man!!!
Divide Et Impera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #8
swd1974
Registered User
 
swd1974's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 13,456
A$FN: 10,648
Send a message via AIM to swd1974
LOL Ron Paul cured both my wrongful thinking and my apathy.
__________________
Goal for 2008: Half as many penalties.
swd1974 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 09:36 PM   #9
LoyaltyisaCurse
Answers Before Questions
 
LoyaltyisaCurse's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Posts: 12,409
A$FN: 4,800
Quote:
Originally Posted by swd1974 View Post
LOL Ron Paul cured both my wrongful thinking and my apathy.
Sometimes I have to do a double take just to make sure its you posting SWD...You've come a long way since the just "Nuke EM" days...
__________________
Goin' "Double Maverick!"
LoyaltyisaCurse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th, 2008, 11:31 PM   #10
KloD
Pimping Freedom Ain't Easy
 
Cosmic Defender Champion!
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 8,210
A$FN: 21,373
Quote:
Originally Posted by swd1974 View Post
LOL Ron Paul cured both my wrongful thinking and my apathy.


Ron Paul, the right man w/out a party smart enough to embrace him. I hate that the position of President is a popularity contest. I'm waiting till we start off with 16 candidates and phone in our vote for our favorite each week.
KloD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th, 2008, 03:06 AM   #11
wallyburger
Agent Provocateur
 
wallyburger's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: via pacis
Posts: 17,854
A$FN: 15,000
Quote:
Originally Posted by KloD View Post
Keep posting, I like the new you! My lord, I think I've agreed with every post you've had these past few days.

(me too)
__________________
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

--Voltaire
wallyburger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th, 2008, 06:05 AM   #12
Louis
Registered
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,315
A$FN: 6,507
Maybe this will make its way into the campaing?

Quote:
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 was -- and remains -- one of the great stains on our national political character. It was passed by a substantial majority in the Senate (65-34) with the support of every single Senate Republican (except Chafee) and 12 Senate Democrats. No filibuster was even attempted. It passed by a similar margin in the House, where 34 Democrats joined 219 Republicans to enact it. One of the most extraordinary quotes of the post-9/11 era came from GOP Sen. Arlen Specter, who said at the time that that the Military Commissions Act -- because it explicitly barred federal courts from hearing habeas corpus petitions brought by Guantanamo detainees -- "sets back basic rights by some 900 years" and was "patently unconstitutional on its face" -- and Specter then proceeded to vote for it.
The greatest victim of the 9/11 attack has been our core, defining constitutional liberties. Of all the powers seized by this administration in the name of keeping us Safe, the power to imprison people indefinitely with no charges and no real process is the most pernicious.
Passage of the Military Commissions Act was spearheaded by John McCain, who was anointed by cowardly Senate Democrats to speak for them and negotiate with the White House. Once McCain blessed the Military Commissions Act, its passage was assured. Barack Obama voted against it, and once its passage appeared certain, Obama offered an amendment to limit it to five years. That amendment failed, rendering the MCA the law of the land without any time limits.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...ene/print.html
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th, 2008, 06:08 AM   #13
Louis
Registered
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,315
A$FN: 6,507
Barack Obama 9/27/06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BIylNUkmvo
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th, 2008, 06:14 AM   #14
Louis
Registered
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,315
A$FN: 6,507
Quote:
Originally Posted by McCain
"These are unlawful combatants, they are not American citizens and I think we should pay attention to Justice Roberts' opinion in this decision," McCain said, referring to the chief justice's dissent.
"Republican John McCain told reporters in Boston that he had not yet read the opinion, but expressed concerns about the rights it might impart to the people being held there."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...to_guanta.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by Obama
Today's Supreme Court decision ensures that we can protect our nation and bring terrorists to justice, while also protecting our core values. The Court's decision is a rejection of the Bush Administration's attempt to create a legal black hole at Guantanamo - yet another failed policy supported by John McCain. This is an important step toward reestablishing our credibility as a nation committed to the rule of law, and rejecting a false choice between fighting terrorism and respecting habeas corpus. Our courts have employed habeas corpus with rigor and fairness for more than two centuries, and we must continue to do so as we defend the freedom that violent extremists seek to destroy.
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th, 2008, 07:08 AM   #15
wallyburger
Agent Provocateur
 
wallyburger's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: via pacis
Posts: 17,854
A$FN: 15,000
Arlen Specter has his lucid moments, but then he gets a flashback abd goes off looking for another " Magic Bullet.

http://wordpress.com/tag/senator-arl...bullet-theory/
__________________
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

--Voltaire
wallyburger is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
arlen specter, foreign policy, john paul, ron paul


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Sitemap:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:33 PM.



Subscribe in a reader
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007 - 2008, PixelFX Studios
Copyright © 2002 - 2006 ArizonaSportsFans.com
Inactive Reminders By Icora Web Design