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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:20 AM   #1
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Saddam dead??


BBC just reported that Saddam was killed on the initial assault on Bagdad. STILL UNCONFIRMED!!!!

I'm just quoting was they said, so don't blame me if he's not...
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:34 AM   #2
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No, if he is not dead it IS all your fault!!!!!
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:35 AM   #3
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Well that fat old guy on the video sure as hell wasn't Sadaam, so it's plausible that he's dead.

It'll be nearly impossible to confirm though. I mean, if he was killed in a missile attack how could you ever even find a body?
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:38 AM   #4
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All I meant was that since it's still unconfirmed it's could be a crazy rumour... Any reports on this in the US media??
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:41 AM   #5
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Senior military officials are saying that Iraqi soldiers are surrendering as fast as they can process them. Shock and Awe phase of the war has now begun but civilian deaths are minimal.
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:41 AM   #6
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US confirms Saddam in video...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._ea/war_saddam

U.S. Confirms Saddam Hussein in Video
42 minutes ago

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) may have been wounded in an American air attack, but U.S. officials cautioned Friday that reports on his fate were circumstantial and uncorroborated.


Intelligence officials also have determined it was almost certainly Saddam, not a look-alike, who appeared in a video recording on Iraqi television Wednesday, a few hours after he was targeted by an American air strike.


"The CIA (news - web sites)'s assessment of the tape is that it does appear to be the voice of Saddam, but there is no conclusive evidence about whether that was taped before or after the operation began," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites).


A U.S. official involved in military planning, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the reports on Saddam's fate also suggested one or both of his sons had survived, as well.


Officials said some reports indicate Saddam pre-recorded several speeches to air during fighting, raising the possibility that the video shown Wednesday was one of those.


The video showed Saddam, in military uniform, reading from a steno pad and exhorting Iraqis to fight American invaders. Intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that an analysis of the speaker's voice, inflections and facial movements led them to believe it was Saddam.


While Saddam read the date — March 20 — during his speech, he did not speak specifically of the attack on him or other events that would positively confirm the message was recorded after the attacks.


CIA and military analysts were vigorously reviewing this and other clues about the fate of Saddam, his inner circle and his two powerful sons who were also targeted in the attacks. U.S. intelligence believes they were inside a residential compound bombarded by American forces. Government officials were examining a request for medical attention that could indicate injuries to the senior Iraqi leaders.


"We have reason to believe he was still in there," one senior U.S. official said.


The officials said they believed medical attention was urgently summoned to the compound in the aftermath of the attack. One senior military official said the manner in which the help was summoned raised the possibility Saddam himself or someone of high-level importance in the Iraqi leadership was injured.


But other officials cautioned there was nothing definitive. "It is not clear exactly on whose behalf the medical attention was summoned," one U.S. official said.


U.S. officials said intelligence indicated Saddam was still in the compound when U.S. bombs and missiles rained down late Wednesday night Washington time, about six hours after U.S. intelligence first detected that Saddam and his leadership might be there.


The attack, which involved ship-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles and bombs dropped from stealth fighters, was aimed at a residential complex where U.S. intelligence believed Saddam, and possibly his sons, were sleeping.


Naval missile strikes in Baghdad also were aimed at the headquarters of the Special Republican Guard, a paramilitary force that was expected to defend Baghdad from any U.S. assault, and other security organizations.


After the attack, intelligence reports indicated Iraq (news - web sites)'s leaders were not organizing any coordinated response across their country, suggesting the leadership might be in chaos or cut off from communicating with field commanders.


Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said military planners had good reason to believe top Iraqi leaders may be losing control of their forces.


"We are in communication with still more people who are officials of the military at various levels — the regular army, the Republican Guard, the Special Republican Guard — who are increasingly aware that it's going to happen, he's going to be gone," Rumsfeld said.





U.S. intelligence suspected Saddam's sons, Qusai and Odai, might have been with him during the strike. Both hold high-level security positions. Qusai, the younger son, was believed to be Saddam's likely successor.

A second tape of Saddam may have aired later Thursday. Officials had no information on that recording.

If Saddam survived, U.S. officials hoped the surprise attack at least would leave him distrustful of his inner circle and suspecting betrayal by one of his advisers, leaving him less able to command.

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Associated Press writer John Solomon contributed to this report.
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:42 AM   #7
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All I meant was that since it's still unconfirmed it's could be a crazy rumour... Any reports on this in the US media??
They are saying that Sadaam was injured during the attack but uncertain to the extent. It's obvious that the command and control for Iraq is not functioning as it should have.
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Old March 21st, 2003, 09:45 AM   #8
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I'm pretty sure that guy in the video address was Mr. Magoo (or at least the Iraqi version).
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Old March 21st, 2003, 10:16 AM   #9
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I was wiating for the guy in the video to bust out in a bumble bee costume and run around trying to stingh people (ala late night Telemundo comedy...)
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Old March 21st, 2003, 10:20 AM   #10
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I was wiating for the guy in the video to bust out in a bumble bee costume and run around trying to stingh people (ala late night Telemundo comedy...)

Like this guy:

http://www.ollin.net/bee/
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Like this guy:

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Nice find, Wiz.
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Old March 21st, 2003, 10:30 AM   #12
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Nothing new on Saddam.

But the massive bombing effort is underway.

Most educated guess by authorities was that Saddam and his sons were in the presidential palace when we hit it a couple of nights ago - and perhaps he was injured - but there's nothing more definitive than that.

One thing though - after looking at the firestorm that hailed down on Baghdad and other parts of Iraq, if we didn't kill Saddam the first time, the odds we got him this time have to be hundreds of percent better.
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Old March 21st, 2003, 10:43 AM   #13
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Close...but I prefer the original guy from Ay Caramba or something like that (Sabado Gigante???)...a big MExican guy with bushy eyebrows who chased around hot girls in bikinis and tried to sting them.

Probably the most morally wrong show on TV (but it was in Spanish & we never knew what they were saying...the hotties were fine). It was a good watch while you were drunk and snowed in at 2 AM.
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Old March 21st, 2003, 11:06 AM   #14
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Old March 21st, 2003, 11:06 AM   #15
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One thing I don't understand if this was "prerecorded", why did it look so small potatoes? Wouldn't you think they'd want to project a magnificent image of their wonderful leader? Instead, he's reading from a notepad with glasses in front of a bedsheet. This leads me to figure he's alive, but his days are winding down.
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