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Old April 25th, 2007, 11:09 PM   #1
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Rice gets subpoena to testify on bogus pre-war intelligence...


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Panel seeks Rice testimony on Iraq claim

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 25, 4:23 PM ET

WASHINGTON - In rapid succession, congressional committees Wednesday ramped up their investigations of the Bush administration by approving a subpoena for Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice and granting immunity to a former key aide to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.


By 21-10, the House oversight committee voted to issue a subpoena to Rice to compel her story on the Bush administration's claim, now discredited, that
Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa.

Moments earlier in the committee chamber next door, the
House Judiciary Committee voted 32-6 to grant immunity to Monica Goodling, Gonzales' White House liaison, for her testimony on why the administration fired eight federal prosecutors. The panel also unanimously approved — but did not issue — a subpoena to compel her to appear.

Simultaneously across Capitol Hill, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved — but did not issue — a subpoena on the prosecutors' matter to Sara Taylor, deputy to presidential adviser Karl Rove.

The House oversight committee also issued subpoenas for the
Republican National Committee for testimony and documents about White House e-mails on RNC accounts that have apparently gone missing, in violation of the law.

In case Gonzales thought the worst had passed with his punishing testimony last week before the Senate Judiciary Committee, the chairman and top Republican issued a new demand: Refresh the memory that Gonzales claimed had failed him 71 times during the seven-hour session.

"Provide the answers to the questions you could not recall last Thursday," Chairman Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt., and ranking Republican Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, wrote to Gonzales on Wednesday.

Specter's letter underscored that Congress' march against the administration isn't driven solely by Democrats. Only six members of the House Judiciary Committee voted against immunity for Goodling — all Republicans. Several Republican lawmakers have lobbed harsh criticism at Gonzales in the two days since Bush issued a fresh statement of support for him.

"I'll be as vigilant as ever in overseeing the Justice Department and working with other senators both Republicans and Democrats for accountability from the attorney general and the department he leads," said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

Democrats say they want to force into the open the story of why the eight U.S. attorneys were fired and whether they were singled out to influence corruption cases. Republicans point out that Gonzales survived a brutal Senate hearing last week with
President Bush's support and no evidence of wrongdoing in the prosecutors firings.

For his part, Gonzales tried to mend fences on Capitol Hill, meeting with a key critic, Sen. Mark Pryor (news, bio, voting record), D-Ark., who has complained that Gonzales was not truthful with him over the dismissal of Bud Cummins, the former U.S. attorney in Little Rock, Ark.

His outreach apparently didn't take.

"I reiterated with the attorney general, face-to-face, that I think he should resign," Pryor told reporters in a conference call after meeting with Gonzales in Washington. "I think it's the best thing for the
Department of Justice and it's probably the best thing for him personally and the administration."

On the uranium issue, Rice's allies maintained that she has for years answered Congress' questions under oath, as well as media inquiries, about her knowledge of the veracity of Bush's claim about uranium.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., said Rice was "giving us no choice but to proceed with a subpoena."

State Department spokesman Tom Casey responded that the agency would consult with the White House on the matter.

"The secretary has addressed this four-year old issue on many occasions and the subject already has been exhaustively investigated," Casey said.

Even as he pressed ahead on Rice, Waxman postponed a vote on issuing a subpoena to former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card on the same issue, saying White House Counsel Fred Fielding had made a compromise proposal worth pursuing. Under it, the committee would first talk to the White House office of administration about Card's knowledge of the uranium claim.

On the prosecutor firings, the House Judiciary Committee approved two measures that would compel Goodling's testimony and grant her immunity from prosecution. The immunity grant only would take effect if Conyers signs and issues the subpoena to Goodling, he said.

Some Republicans cautioned that immunity has tied the hands of prosecutors in the past, notably during the
Iran-Contra scandal. Admiral John Poindexter and Lt. Col. Oliver North were granted immunity and later had their convictions reversed when a judge ruled that they were based too much on immunized testimony.

"Think of the consequences to the integrity and reputation of this committee and this institution should we grant immunity and it's impossible to prosecute someone," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., a former chairman of the panel.

At the Justice Department, spokesman Dean Boyd declined comment on the House panel's vote to give Goodling immunity. He said he would not speculate on whether giving her immunity could tie prosecutors' hands should evidence of criminal activity surface.

The investigation into the prosecutors' firings spawned another probe into whether White House aides conducted official business on the RNC e-mail account, then deleted the e-mails in violation of law requiring all presidential records to be preserved.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 11:27 PM   #2
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Old April 26th, 2007, 12:57 PM   #4
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But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.
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Old April 26th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #6
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By 21-10, the House oversight committee voted to issue a subpoena to Rice to compel her story on the Bush administration's claim, now discredited, that
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Way to go Demos. Just keep focusing on bashing the Bush Adminstration and things that happened 4 years ago. That way any real legislation will not be accomplished and when you are sitting there right before the 2008 elections trying to explain to the American people why you didn't keep your promises, a Republican can once again sneak into the White House.
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Old April 26th, 2007, 05:19 PM   #7
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Way to go Demos. Just keep focusing on bashing the Bush Adminstration and things that happened 4 years ago. That way any real legislation will not be accomplished and when you are sitting there right before the 2008 elections trying to explain to the American people why you didn't keep your promises, a Republican can once again sneak into the White House.
So by your logic, if someone robbed a bank or shot someone – 4 years ago – there is no need for that person to be brought to justice for their crime? I guess on the flip side, our courts and prisons wouldn’t be nearly as crowded… if the criminals were left to roam the streets and commit more crimes…
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So by your logic, if someone robbed a bank or shot someone – 4 years ago – there is no need for that person to be brought to justice for their crime? I guess on the flip side, our courts and prisons wouldn’t be nearly as crowded… if the criminals were left to roam the streets and commit more crimes…
There is no need to only focus on the 4 year old crime and ignore the bank being robbed today.

That is what 40 was getting at.
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Get ready for two straight hours of "answering that question would require the disclosure of classified information."

Even if you support the war (which I still do), I can't see how you can't want the administration to answer for its obvious deception in selling us on it.
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Get ready for two straight hours of "answering that question would require the disclosure of classified information."

Even if you support the war (which I still do), I can't see how you can't want the administration to answer for its obvious deception in selling us on it.
Thank you!

It might be that we have to pursue this infernal war to it's conclusion and that's a seperate entity entirely from getting back to why it started in the first place.

The issue of fighting out the rest of the war has nothing to do with why it was started, I might argue that leaving won't do more harm than staying others would likely disagree and strongly and that's fine it's a debateable issue but that's got nothing to do with how it started and having those in power at the time answer for their actions.
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So by your logic, if someone robbed a bank or shot someone – 4 years ago – there is no need for that person to be brought to justice for their crime? I guess on the flip side, our courts and prisons wouldn’t be nearly as crowded… if the criminals were left to roam the streets and commit more crimes…

So you equate bank robbery and murder with 20 words put into a speech 4 years ago? Sorry, but your sense of indignation smacks of hypocrisy. If you truly believe the only reason we went to war was because someone thought Iraq was trying to buy uranium to make a bomb, your memory is non-existant.
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Get ready for two straight hours of "answering that question would require the disclosure of classified information."

Even if you support the war (which I still do), I can't see how you can't want the administration to answer for its obvious deception in selling us on it.
See the Black and White Bob Parks video I posted on another thread. Parks gives actual quotes from Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, etc. all prior to Bush taking office and all stating that Iraq has WMD's. How can we fault the Bush Adminstration for this when the Clinton Adminstration started it? Do you think the intel suddenly changed over night?
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So you equate bank robbery and murder with 20 words put into a speech 4 years ago? Sorry, but your sense of indignation smacks of hypocrisy. If you truly believe the only reason we went to war was because someone thought Iraq was trying to buy uranium to make a bomb, your memory is non-existant.

Can we toss Colin Powell in that same jail? He lied about the same thing.

There is a fairly long list of dignitaries who belong in jail, or worse, for this one.
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See the Black and White Bob Parks video I posted on another thread. Parks gives actual quotes from Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, etc. all prior to Bush taking office and all stating that Iraq has WMD's. How can we fault the Bush Adminstration for this when the Clinton Adminstration started it? Do you think the intel suddenly changed over night?

Show me here. It is easier.
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Can we toss Colin Powell in that same jail? He lied about the same thing.

There is a fairly long list of dignitaries who belong in jail, or worse, for this one.
Wally, do you truly believe Colin Powell lied knowingly? This is what I don't understand. Everyone says the Bush Adminstration was lying about WMD's but completely overlook the Clinton Adminstration saying the exact same things. Then when the guy who was in charge of the intel (Tenent) points the finger at Bush, everyone says "See, I told you so."

THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO GAVE THE BAD INTEL TO THE CLINTON ADMINSTRATION!!!!

Now he's suddenly the darling of the liberals because he is saying what they want to hear. This is mind boggling. How can you guys not see this?
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