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Wally, do you truly believe Colin Powell lied knowingly?
From the article I linked above.
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Originally Posted by Colin Powell on 2/24/01
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...
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Wally, do you truly believe Colin Powell lied knowingly? This is what I don't understand. Everyone says the Bush Adminstration was lying about WMD's but completely overlook the Clinton Adminstration saying the exact same things. Then when the guy who was in charge of the intel (Tenent) points the finger at Bush, everyone says "See, I told you so."
THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO GAVE THE BAD INTEL TO THE CLINTON ADMINSTRATION!!!!
Now he's suddenly the darling of the liberals because he is saying what they want to hear. This is mind boggling. How can you guys not see this?
Yes, I believe Colin Powell, knowingly lied before the U N Security Council. If you don't think he was capable of that , then you are unfamiliar with his prior history. He was the architect of the My Lai massacre cover up. He climbed through the ranks by doing the dirty work.
May I suggest your time lines are screwed up. Saddam Hussein had WMDs once upon a time. He did not when Bushco invaded Iraq. I don't think anyopne is denying the once upon time existance. They were disabled, disembowled and decommisioned.
BTW, who is the darling of the liberals, Powell or Tenent. Confusing.
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Yes and it isn't possible that between Feb. 01 and Feb. 03, that he might have changed his mind or was presented with evidence that made him rethink his position.
Yes and it isn't possible that between Feb. 01 and Feb. 03, that he might have changed his mind or was presented with evidence that made him rethink his position.
Yes, I believe Colin Powell, knowingly lied before the U N Security Council. If you don't think he was capable of that , then you are unfamiliar with his prior history. He was the architect of the My Lai massacre cover up. He climbed through the ranks by doing the dirty work.
May I suggest your time lines are screwed up. Saddam Hussein had WMDs once upon a time. He did not when Bushco invaded Iraq. I don't think anyopne is denying the once upon time existance. They were disabled, disembowled and decommisioned.
BTW, who is the darling of the liberals, Powell or Tenent. Confusing.
OK, so you admit they had WMD's. Then how can you say Bush was lying? Did he get rid of them between 1999 and 2001 or was Clinton lying also?
May I suggest your time lines are screwed up. Saddam Hussein had WMDs once upon a time. He did not when Bushco invaded Iraq. I don't think anyopne is denying the once upon time existance. They were disabled, disembowled and decommisioned.
BTW, who is the darling of the liberals, Powell or Tenent. Confusing.
The weapons Saddam HAD were provided by US and specifically Donald Rumsfeld while a member of the 1st Bush Administration. This is a well-established fact.
Regarding Powell's knowingly lying before the UN, there was a compelling interview on NOW with his secretary who told the whole sordid tale about how Powell HAD TO LIE. You can get it on PBS.org. It's a must see.
I'm sure Tenet was absolutely beside himself over this whole mess. Especially while he was receiving the Medal of Freedom next to Bremer. Please... these people make me sick.
The weapons Saddam HAD were provided by US and specifically Donald Rumsfeld while a member of the 1st Bush Administration. This is a well-established fact.
Regarding Powell's knowingly lying before the UN, there was a compelling interview on NOW with his secretary who told the whole sordid tale about how Powell HAD TO LIE. You can get it on PBS.org. It's a must see.
I'm sure Tenet was absolutely beside himself over this whole mess. Especially while he was receiving the Medal of Freedom next to Bremer. Please... these people make me sick.
BG, the Iraq/Iran war was from 1980 to 1988. Bush's presidency was from 1989 to 1993. I think you have your timetable a little messed up.
The weapons Saddam HAD were provided by US and specifically Donald Rumsfeld while a member of the 1st Bush Administration. This is a well-established fact.
Regarding Powell's knowingly lying before the UN, there was a compelling interview on NOW with his secretary who told the whole sordid tale about how Powell HAD TO LIE. You can get it on PBS.org. It's a must see.
I'm sure Tenet was absolutely beside himself over this whole mess. Especially while he was receiving the Medal of Freedom next to Bremer. Please... these people make me sick.
Thank you for saving my fingers. Zackly as I would have put it.
IMNSHO Powell is pondscum. He has lied his whole career. In the least he is an opportunist who will stoop quite low.
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In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
BG, the Iraq/Iran war was from 1980 to 1988. Bush's presidency was from 1989 to 1993. I think you have your timetable a little messed up.
No. I do not. The Iran/Iraq war has nothing to do with Bush I Administration supplying Hussein with mustard gas and other weapons he used on his own people. I'm talking about what Hussein did to the kurds after the first gulf war. Hussein gassed them with the mustard gas supplied by Bush I Administration. Do you not remember that incident? Bush said essentially "Hey, kurds, rise up. We have your back". Yeah, he had their back with a big knife in it. That's what I'm referring to.
No. I do not. The Iran/Iraq war has nothing to do with Bush I Administration supplying Hussein with mustard gas and other weapons he used on his own people. I'm talking about what Hussein did to the kurds after the first gulf war. Hussein gassed them with the mustard gas supplied by Bush I Administration. Do you not remember that incident? Bush said essentially "Hey, kurds, rise up. We have your back". Yeah, he had their back with a big knife in it. That's what I'm referring to.
Your history ain't so good. You mean the Reagen Adminstration.
Your history ain't so good. You mean the Reagen Adminstration.
You're right! I meant the Reagan adminsitration. Notwithstanding the faux pas, do you recall what I am talking about?
Officially, it was the Reagan Administration but it was really the Bush I administration in practice. Kinda like this should be called the Cheney Administration. Right?
See the Black and White Bob Parks video I posted on another thread. Parks gives actual quotes from Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, etc. all prior to Bush taking office and all stating that Iraq has WMD's. How can we fault the Bush Adminstration for this when the Clinton Adminstration started it? Do you think the intel suddenly changed over night?
I watched the video, and I agree with much of what he says. I said I support the war, but I suppose I should clarify that I support the policy. There were plenty of good reasons to take Saddam out, and the Bush administration should simply have made the case based on what was reasonably known. But instead they talked about mushroom clouds and etc... and ended up looking like fools. If W had simply said we suspect wmd but really don't know, and this is merely a painful first step in a long term strategy and we're going in without regard to wmd, it would have been a more difficult policy to enact but at least the policy would be judged on its own merits, not on all this "Bush lied" nonsense that never needed to be a consideration. Judged purely as a matter of the policy by which the war actually began, the war has been successful; judged as a matter of whether it accomplished what W falsely claimed it was intended to accomplish, it's been a disaster. It didn't need to be.
You're right! I meant the Reagan adminsitration. Notwithstanding the faux pas, do you recall what I am talking about?
Officially, it was the Reagan Administration but it was really the Bush I administration in practice. Kinda like this should be called the Cheney Administration. Right?
Yup. BTW, truth be known , it was the Iranians who actually gassed the Kurds, accidentally, thinking it was the Iraqis bivouaced in that area, when it was actually the returning Kurds. Oooops.
Please... these people make me sick.
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