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Old August 9th, 2006, 09:22 AM   #1
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Republican Michigan Moderate Congressman loses to far-right candidate in primary


Republican Rep. Joe Schwarz lost his party's nomination Tuesday, falling to a staunchly conservative challenger in a primary race dominated by a struggle over GOP principles that attracted more than $1 million in spending by outside groups.

Schwarz, a moderate who supported abortion rights, was defeated by former state lawmaker Tim Walberg. With 92 percent of precincts reporting, Walberg had 53 percent, or 31,869 votes, to 47 percent for Schwarz, or 28,168 votes.

Walberg, a former pastor, contended Schwarz's views did not represent those of constituents in the rural southern Michigan district. He vowed to vote against pork-laden spending plans, tax increases and the expansion of abortion and gay marriage.

"We have to believe that we won because the mission was clear, the message was clear and the agenda was clear," Walberg said.

Schwarz, who was backed by President Bush and Arizona Sen. John McCain, was forced to defend his views on social issues along with taxes, immigration and spending.

The first-term congressman accused outside groups of trying to buy a seat in Congress by helping Walberg pay for TV ads. He said the primary was "probably a victory for right to life, anti-abortion, anti-embryonic stem cell groups but it's a net loss for the Republican party because it just pushes the party farther to the right."

In November, Walberg will face Democratic nominee Sharon Renier, an organic farmer.
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Old August 9th, 2006, 07:31 PM   #2
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Insert exact polar opposite comment from one of Stef's or 40's comments on Liberman being "Kicked out" here...
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You must be kidding. There are several stark differences shown only in this short article.
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Old August 9th, 2006, 07:39 PM   #4
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Actually, I already adressed how kicking out a GOP liberal is different from kicking out a Dem moderate. (Toomey vs. Specter)
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Old August 9th, 2006, 07:41 PM   #5
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You must be kidding. There are several stark differences shown only in this short article.
I was thinking the same thing. The voters in that one small district seemed to vote on the issues that were important to them like taxes, gay marriage, immigration etc.

Connecticut was all about Iraq.
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I was thinking the same thing. The voters in that one small district seemed to vote on the issues that were important to them like taxes, gay marriage, immigration etc.

Connecticut was all about Iraq.
Iraq was a big part of it, to be sure. But remember, Joe sided with Conservatives on a host of issues (see Terry Schaivo.) He has more in common with GW than with the mainstream of the Democratic party. We won't even address the left flank (see me) ...we'll keep it mainstream. Do not lose sight of the fact that most Americans are disenchanted with GW and the Iraqi occupation. That Ned did well running on an antiwar platform should not be surprising.

Back to Michigan, it is certainly true that congressional races are far more polarized than those for the Senate and the Presidency. It does make for entertaining theater.
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Old August 9th, 2006, 08:39 PM   #7
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Do not lose sight of the fact that most Americans are disenchanted with GW and the Iraqi occupation.
Don't forget to add soldiers returning from Iraq either! Many soldiers I've talked to think the war is stupid, and I'll probably be there in a few months!
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Old August 9th, 2006, 08:58 PM   #8
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Can we agree that Far left and far right are too extreme? I don't think its good for anyone when an ultra conservative or ultra liberal wins.
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Can we agree that Far left and far right are too extreme? I don't think its good for anyone when an ultra conservative or ultra liberal wins.
Define Far Left and Far Right and extreme while you're at it.

By far left do you imply that there's some significant Trot element in the US secretly promoting permanent revolution? I doubt that you do, but I'm trying to make a point.

Far right? Is there a serious Nazi contingent that's part of the Republican party. Hyperbole aside, well no there is not.

The media and most politicos label Gary Bauer as ultra-conservative (as you would say) because of his stance on cultural issues but ignores his moderation on certain economic issues. Howard Dean is labeled as ultra liberal (I think that's a funny term, by the way) because of his stance against the occupation while his positions on gun control (he's practically NRA) and a host of other issues are ignored.

Lastly, like it or not there are millions of people in this country that are to the right of the average Republican or to the left of the average Democrat. We pay taxes, work hard, and play by the rules. We deserve to have our voices heard and have every right to attempt to influence the political process. remember, many mainstream ideas were once considered to be too radical or reactionary by the mainstream.
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Iraq was a big part of it, to be sure. But remember, Joe sided with Conservatives on a host of issues (see Terry Schaivo.) He has more in common with GW than with the mainstream of the Democratic party. We won't even address the left flank (see me) ...we'll keep it mainstream. Do not lose sight of the fact that most Americans are disenchanted with GW and the Iraqi occupation. That Ned did well running on an antiwar platform should not be surprising.

Back to Michigan, it is certainly true that congressional races are far more polarized than those for the Senate and the Presidency. It does make for entertaining theater.

ummm... no. except for his military/war standing, he is a (mainstream) dem, through and through.
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I was thinking the same thing. The voters in that one small district seemed to vote on the issues that were important to them like taxes, gay marriage, immigration etc.

Connecticut was all about Iraq.
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I was thinking the same thing. The voters in that one small district seemed to vote on the issues that were important to them like taxes, gay marriage, immigration etc.

Connecticut was all about Iraq.
What are you suggesting? Iraq is not as important issue an issue as gay marriage or immigration? How do you know that this "one small district" was thinking? For that matter, how do you know what the people of Connecticut were thinking when they made their vote?
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ummm... no. except for his military/war standing, he is a (mainstream) dem, through and through.

Labeled by a conservative. You folks like Joe so much, invite him to join your party.
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ummm... no. except for his military/war standing, he is a (mainstream) dem, through and through.
And his votes for Alito, etc. The past several years, Joe has sided as much with the Republicans as he has the Democrats. IF ANY Republican Senator had gone against the party line as much as Lieberman did, People like SirStefan would be calling for his head.


Look what is happening next door in Rhode Island, where moderate Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee may well lose in the primary to an extremist Right-wing candidate.
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