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Old July 10th, 2003, 02:02 PM   #16
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Does the MS have any relation to pregnancies. My guess is no, it doesn't. I could be way off, but if correct then it is not part of the decision.

While the exact cause of MS is unknown, somethings are known: Having a parent that had MS greatly increasing your chances of getting it. MS, like all auto-immune diseases, can be triggered or made worse by trauma or stress.
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Old July 10th, 2003, 05:04 PM   #17
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While the exact cause of MS is unknown, somethings are known: Having a parent that had MS greatly increasing your chances of getting it. MS, like all auto-immune diseases, can be triggered or made worse by trauma or stress.
If the first twin of identical twins has MS there is only something like a 30% that the second twin has MS. Thus even if the child were to be genetically equipped for MS the odds are against he/she developing it.

I'm not sure what the specific odds are (ask a doctor or MS society), but I know that most people with MS that want to have children, find the risk of their children contracting MS to be small enough. I don't know if this is necessarily true for all types of MS.

Living with MS (at least not the most severest forms) is possible, just look at Montel Williams. People with MS can still live productive lives. I could see maybe aborting a baby that would have down syndrome, but I couldn't rationalize aborting a baby that MIGHT die in 40 years because of complications. Also I guarantee you that scientists will better understand MS in 40 years (probably sooner).
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If the first twin of identical twins has MS there is only something like a 30% that the second twin has MS. Thus even if the child were to be genetically equipped for MS the odds are against he/she developing it.

I'm not sure what the specific odds are (ask a doctor or MS society), but I know that most people with MS that want to have children, find the risk of their children contracting MS to be small enough. I don't know if this is necessarily true for all types of MS.

Living with MS (at least not the most severest forms) is possible, just look at Montel Williams. People with MS can still live productive lives. I could see maybe aborting a baby that would have down syndrome, but I couldn't rationalize aborting a baby that MIGHT die in 40 years because of complications. Also I guarantee you that scientists will better understand MS in 40 years (probably sooner).
The concern is the risk to the mother (Jane). While there is Montell, Jane only needs to look at what MS did to her mother - last 10 years or so of her life, bedridden, only able to communicate by blinking her eyes.
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Old July 11th, 2003, 10:59 AM   #19
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The concern is the risk to the mother (Jane). While there is Montell, Jane only needs to look at what MS did to her mother - last 10 years or so of her life, bedridden, only able to communicate by blinking her eyes.
I certainly how a traumatic experience such as she experienced could impact future decisions.

However the facts are such:

1) While there is some evidence of genetic involvement in the disease itself, a hereditary cause and effect for MS has not been shown. The potential for Jane to be afflicted is only a miniscule greater than the general population.

2) Even if Jane were to be inflicted with MS there is only a 5% chance that the disease would manifest in the severe symptoms like those experienced by her mother.

3) Abortion results in death 100% of the time.

4) The percentage of risk of serious medical complications to the mother as the result of abortion is higher than the percentage of chance that Jane may be inflicted with MS.


Using the excuse of the potential for contracting MS is a poor rationalization and does not justify the killing of an unborn child.
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So what did she finally decide to do?
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So what did she finally decide to do?
She ended up having the abortion - she was still in her first trimester.

The strain of her mother's death, the uncertainity concerning the M.S., and the medication she was on at the time (plus the nature of the insemination) led her to conclude this was the proper choice. She did spend time discussing it with her aunts (all Baptists, and all anti-abortion), as well as with her doctor, so it was not a decision that she took lightly.
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