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Kerry just started running an ad on health care. Stating that a good chunk of health care dollars are eaten up via paperwork, overhead and red tape. He has a plan that would eliminate much of it. My question is how long has he been a member Congress? My question is when did he have this revelation? My question is why didn't he introduce his plan as a member of the Senate? My question is why did he wait until so close to the election to announce he had such a plan? My question is if he has a plan that is so beneficial to the country, why not share it with the country now instead of using it as a campaign ploy?
I remember Clinton campaigning on the same platform, national health care. Every time he campaigned it was his main spin. Well, it never happened then either.
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And it never will. It's a catch phrase all politicians want but in the end there is too much money at stake. Nothing will happen no matter what is promised.
And it never will. It's a catch phrase all politicians want but in the end there is too much money at stake. Nothing will happen no matter what is promised.
Yup they spending billions on liberating oil rich countries and turning them into "democracies" is more important.
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"Free healthcare for every American!" seems to me to be the equivolent of your elementary school student council election platform of "Soda pop in all the water fountains!"
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"Free healthcare for every American!" seems to me to be the equivolent of your elementary school student council election platform of "Soda pop in all the water fountains!"
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It may be amusing and nobody could claim the British system is perfect, but at least anybody can go to the doctor. Its one area where we are about the least civilized country in the 'civilized' world.
We need universal access to health care and a president who hsa the guts to take on the lobbyists, let me know when you find one (president or candidate with those kind of guts, that is)
We need universal access to health care and a president who hsa the guts to take on the lobbyists, let me know when you find one (president or candidate with those kind of guts, that is)
It's not this year.
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It may be amusing and nobody could claim the British system is perfect, but at least anybody can go to the doctor. Its one area where we are about the least civilized country in the 'civilized' world.
We need universal access to health care
Do you know anyone that needed some basic care and could not recieve it?
The problem is the insurance companies and regualtions and that there is a lack of consumer involvement in the system. Having government take over healthcare would only make it worse IMO.
I just have a real problem with some committee or government agency deciding which treatments are warranted. For an insurance company to make these decisions is bad enough, but that is a private agreement for coverage. It is not good idea to me that the government would make these decisions for everyone.
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“votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.” ~H. L. Mencken
Do you know anyone that needed some basic care and could not recieve it?
The problem is the insurance companies and regualtions and that there is a lack of consumer involvement in the system. Having government take over healthcare would only make it worse IMO.
I just have a real problem with some committee or government agency deciding which treatments are warranted. For an insurance company to make these decisions is bad enough, but that is a private agreement for coverage. It is not good idea to me that the government would make these decisions for everyone.
Amen and double amen.
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Do you know anyone that needed some basic care and could not recieve it?
The problem is the insurance companies and regualtions and that there is a lack of consumer involvement in the system. Having government take over healthcare would only make it worse IMO.
I just have a real problem with some committee or government agency deciding which treatments are warranted. For an insurance company to make these decisions is bad enough, but that is a private agreement for coverage. It is not good idea to me that the government would make these decisions for everyone.
I never said this should be a government program, maybe it would be maybe not.
But in this country, if you walk into a doctors office, the first thing on their mind is can you pay and we need to change that. I do believe that everybody should have the right to primary health care. We are the only major western nation where this is not true.
No, but then everybody I know has insurance, try asking the same question in the rougher areas in LA. Lets see how easy it is to get primary health care if you have no money and no insurance ?
Even in the UK, I always had health insurance in addition to access to the NHS (Nation Health Service). By having both it enabled me or anybody else to see a primary care doctor or be admitted into a hospital with no questions asked. It also allowed me the same flexability to see a doctor privatly the same way I would in the US.
I'm not advocating that it is a requirement that everybody have the same access to healthcare, that is not realistic. If you can pay for or have insurance to provide it, those people will always have greater access.
I do think that everybody should have the right to go see a primary care physician, regardless of social class or economic means. There should also be the ability for further treatment, its just as in the UK, don't expect it to be as good or as responsive as the private system.
I never said this should be a government program, maybe it would be maybe not.
But in this country, if you walk into a doctors office, the first thing on their mind is can you pay and we need to change that. I do believe that everybody should have the right to primary health care. We are the only major western nation where this is not true.
No, but then everybody I know has insurance, try asking the same question in the rougher areas in LA. Lets see how easy it is to get primary health care if you have no money and no insurance ?
Even in the UK, I always had health insurance in addition to access to the NHS (Nation Health Service). By having both it enabled me or anybody else to see a primary care doctor or be admitted into a hospital with no questions asked. It also allowed me the same flexability to see a doctor privatly the same way I would in the US.
I'm not advocating that it is a requirement that everybody have the same access to healthcare, that is not realistic. If you can pay for or have insurance to provide it, those people will always have greater access.
I do think that everybody should have the right to go see a primary care physician, regardless of social class or economic means. There should also be the ability for further treatment, its just as in the UK, don't expect it to be as good or as responsive as the private system.
I have been without insurance and without any real money. But I never was unable to get needed treatment. Now I never had a catastrophic illness but we went through the birth of a child and various cuts and accidents and never had trouble getting needed care.
I guess it depends what kind of care you consider necessary. If someone's life is danger they do not make you pay before they save your life.
I think this idea of $10 co-pay / everyone has access to a free doctor to be the source of the problem not it's cause. People should be able to go to the doctor. If people like Mr. Edwards did not make malpractice insurance so high maybe poor people could afford an office vist without a loan.
I really feel for people that get cancer or something and have trouble paying for treatment but is that really the average case we are talking about?
I just don't have any faith that politicians and buearucrats can be the architects of an efficent universal system.
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Instead of having the goverment mess with insurance, make it mandatory that all employeers offer health care to all their employees including those people who are hiring illegal aliens and paying them under the table.
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Instead of having the goverment mess with insurance, make it mandatory that all employeers offer health care to all their employees including those people who are hiring illegal aliens and paying them under the table.
That wouldn't be a bad start. It doesn't matter who does it, it comes out of the same pie in the end and I'd prefer a privatly operated system to a government one. I just think we need a system.
To give you and example. Brighteyes and I were on vacation in the UK a few years ago and she got a minor infection in her finger. It just needed a week or so of antibiotics. We went to see a doctor and got the prescription, no big deal. When we offered to pay (with our travelers health ins), he shrugged and said it wasn't worth his time and to have fun on holiday.
No charge, can you ever imagine that hapening over here ? I can and frankly it is a nice image.
That wouldn't be a bad start. It doesn't matter who does it, it comes out of the same pie in the end and I'd prefer a privatly operated system to a government one. I just think we need a system.
To give you and example. Brighteyes and I were on vacation in the UK a few years ago and she got a minor infection in her finger. It just needed a week or so of antibiotics. We went to see a doctor and got the prescription, no big deal. When we offered to pay (with our travelers health ins), he shrugged and said it wasn't worth his time and to have fun on holiday.
No charge, can you ever imagine that hapening over here ? I can and frankly it is a nice image.
Without insurance regulations and concern over being sued, yes I can imagine that in this country.
I don't agree with making the employers carry the burden. A good employer will help with or provide some health coverage. But if you make it mandatory you will just raise the cost of employment meaning companies (esp. small business) can't afford to hire as many people.
I don't mean to pick on you or call you Nidan, I understand where you are coming from but the Democrats push for the latest euphimism "single payer" is disturbing to me and probably the single biggest reason I can't vote for them.
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