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Excuse me??? Any attack made by me in this thread is only in retaliation...
Nowhere in this thread did I question your patriotism. Nowhere did I state or insinuate that you are anti-American.
Now, you want to have a respectful debate? You first dispense with the attacks and I'll respond in kind.
I will treat anyone with respect, as long as it comes my way as well... Otherwise, we can certainly take this to PM if you like...
No I won't excuse you and you do insinuate that all the time, anything contrary to what you say isn't someone disputing what you say it's supposedly bashing our great country.
Our great country is only great because you have the freedom to state your position, you are free to question my patriotisim all you want but not on this forum by rule.
Again I'm not backing down.
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
No I won't excuse you and you do insinuate that all the time, anything contrary to what you say isn't someone disputing what you say it's supposedly bashing our great country.
Our great country is only great because you have the freedom to state your position, you are free to question my patriotisim all you want but not on this forum by rule.
Again I'm not backing down.
Get over yourself... Not once did I question your patriotism here. I won't back down either!!
And of course, I'm only putting this stuff out there in the off-chance that you would reply and set the record straight with your vast, superlative knowledge! I am bowing now, recognizing how much better off I am, and the others who choose to accept your sage advice. You rock dude!! Thanks for your tireless efforts aimed at righting all which is so, so wrong with this terrible country of ours!! You da man!
Did I ever imply our country is terrible?
Did you not say this?
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
It's governments job to be a referee and harness that power for good, although they turn into something different altogether they turn into a corrupter of the economy and an abuser of power.
The government does try and help but it's woefully inadequate to do the job and there is no replacement for ethics, if people by and large have none, your society by and large will have none.
The whole thing is just a reflection of us, if we stand up and throttle the robber barrons they'll back off, if we yawn and go back to watching Idol they'll make off with every last stick while we aren't paying attention.
The system is now a shadow of itself just like our morals.
The whole thing wraps around the avoidance of pain, each and every trick they pull out that takes away pain now makes them look like they're doing something but pain is a reality of life and the best way to deal with pain is to take your medicine and let the problem come to a head and get it over with but that's not the politically best solution and it's not in the fat cat's best interest to have the market judge them so influence is bought the pain is covered up and it festers like a boil on your butt.
One day it's gonna pop and then it'll be a holy mess and they'll all point the finger at us, China, the world, just about anyone but themselves for this mess.
If you ever study the great financial collapses of the world, at each and every turn the government does the wrong thing at every turn, it trys to FIX the problem, or avoid the problem and people demand that they fix or avoid it.
The problem is the problem and the market will fix it, brutally but efficiently, it'll clean it right up but tons of people will lose everything, if the government steps in then just DIFFERENT people will lose, the loss will be the same no matter what, it'll just inefficently run down the NEW BOGUS path of least resistence, if you change the stream bed by regulation or fixes then the stream runs over other people not the ones deserving it.
In a gold based monetary system the government can't do anything to manipulate money or it's severely restricted, there are other factors like reserve requirements for banks you can play with but if you put the economy on autopilot by establishing sound systems then all these things will cycle in and out on there own and it requires almost no intervention at all.
That's not good for business if your in government though, thats WAY TO RESTRICTIVE and stops your pork and all the other goodies you want to hand out so obviously it we can't have that, in the meantime the fake money steals your real worth even while you're sleeping and you won't notice at first but then it gets worse and worse and finally no one wants to hold money anymore.
This is hyper inflation which if it dosen't go that way, it goes into a depression the opposite but equally bad outcome, either one is inevitable, we'll get one or the other because they've delayed the midterm corrective forces, these forces don't go away they just hide all over the place, the end game is always the same, total economic destruction of fiat money.
This article is entirely consistent that government is simply hiding figures that it want's to hide, you can pretty well bet that it's infiltrated almost all their figures.
Do the comments in bold not imply our country is terrible? If not, help me understand what you are then implying about our country... Thanks.
Do the comments in bold not imply our country is terrible? If not, help me understand what you are then implying about our country... Thanks.
No and I'm done with you, you're on ignore.
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
That's as good a take on it as any, some of the posters who throw out the ignorant label, myself included are just frustrated with the process which IMO is a lot about what you are talking about.
Gore wins the popular vote but loses the election, they elect Dems to largely stop the war and it goes on, etc.
The whole process is setup to avoid us having a say to the extent it's possible for people to do that, really GWB is breaking new ground on just ignoring the people IMO and it's frustrating plus IMO it's a bad precedent to set to let him get away with it.
He won two elections, I suspect he would not win another but we don't get that chance so here we sit hoping the next one will start fixing things.
I agree with you that Dubya could care less what the people want or what they think of him. He had me suckered in do to the simple fact that life in the peace time military was better under him than with Clinton. He gave us raises, gave us more money for parts, increased death benifits, increased housing allowances, and built better on base housing. Hell if the guy hadn't of started a war he probably be the all time favorite President of the military.
But since he turned us into conqueror's instead of liberator's he has left nothing but a sour taste in the mouths of the majority of service members I know, myself included. That said I still think we should finish what we started in Iraq and pulling out is not an option. (insert sex joke here)
The best thing about this country is that we have to live with Bush but only for another year and a half. After that we get to let our voices be heard again and hopefully do a better job than we did before.
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The tertiary economy is a very real effect of globalization. Other countries make the goods cheaper, we, being lofty Americans, offer the services. We sell each other stuff.
I'm baffled how we let our own companies turn foreigners into indentured servants while undermining our own long-term capacity to sustain an economy. We sort of sold ourselves out in the 40s and 50s by buying into the belief that corporate America would take care of us. What a crock that was.
Blind faith and ignorance will have that effect.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
Look Conrad. I get attacked by the likes of you, DEI, Se7en and others because I simply refuse to react to certain facts and certain assumptions the way you nerds choose to. I never premptively attack you or your other "end of timers" until you come at me for simply staking a different position than yours...
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Originally Posted by 82CardsGrad
Yes.. very well said DEI...
Yes, Americans are simply a bunch of brain-dead lemmings (with the exception of DEI, Conrad, Wally & Broncogirl of course).
The rest of the world is so freakin Brilliant! They have us lowly Americans against the ropes and are pounding us like Foreman pounded Ali. While the rest of the world is plotting to conquer America, all we dimwits care about is our Venti Vanilla-Soy Latte's!
Bleh... who cares about manufacturing jobs in America? I just want my flat screens and Sub Zero's when I want them! And if I can get them at a "great price", all the better! Yee Hah!!!!
Dow and S&P hitting new highs today!! Nasdaq a new 6 year high!! Unemployment is low! Inflation is in check!! Corporate profits are high and consumer spending continues to power along!!! All is right in the world baby!!! See, I read articles too! I am "up" on the latest financial news just like you professors!!
National debt, trade deficits be dammed!! Life is good here in these United States of America!! At least, that's what I'm being told...
I used to think that you had to work at being a prick, but apparently it's natural....
Originally Posted by 82CardsGrad Look Conrad. I get attacked by the likes of you, DEI, Se7en and others because I simply refuse to react to certain facts and certain assumptions the way you nerds choose to
Actually you get attacked because you always feel the need to insult others on insinuate they are no good Americans...
And, oh, the irony of a message board regular calling others out for being nerds...
Actually you get attacked because you always feel the need to insult others on insinuate they are no good Americans...
And, oh, the irony of a message board regular calling others out for being nerds...
The insults fly both ways in this. 82 gets nailed for no reason constantly by a lot of posters on this board. Just like he let's the insults fly for no reason himself.
Just because it him against a bunch of you doesn't make him wrong, because he's outnumbered.
You guys should be more like me and insult everyone equally.
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