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Old February 16th, 2006, 12:31 PM   #1
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Pressure over Guantanamo rises


Pressure over Guantanamo rises

By Richard Waddington 14 minutes ago

GENEVA (Reuters) - The United States on Thursday came under mounting international pressure to close its Guantanamo prison, with U.N. investigators saying detainees there faced treatment amounting to torture.
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In a 40-page report, which had already been largely leaked, five
United Nations special envoys said the United States was violating a host of human rights, including a ban on torture, arbitrary detention and the right to a fair trial.

The findings could fuel anger among Arabs already incensed by images of abuse of Iraqi inmates at Baghdad's U.S.-run
Abu Ghraib prison newly broadcast by Australian television.

"The United States government should close the Guantanamo Bay detention facilities without further delay," the human rights rapporteurs declared.

Until that happened, the U.S. government should "refrain from any practice amounting to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment," they added.

U.N. Human Rights Commissioner Louise Arbour, who has frequently urged the United States to try the detainees or free them, told the BBC in London that the jail should be shut.

Many of the 500 inmates of the prison at the U.S. naval base in Cuba have been held for four years without trial. The prisoners were mainly detained in
Afghanistan.

Adding its voice to the clamor, the European parliament voted overwhelmingly on Thursday for a resolution urging the prison be closed and inmates given a fair trail.

The White House, calling the Guantanamo detainees "dangerous terrorists," dismissed the report as a reworking of past allegations and said that inmates were humanely treated.

"FALSE ALLEGATIONS"

It "appears to be a rehash of some of the allegations that have been made by lawyers for some of the detainees and we know that al Qaeda detainees are trained in trying to disseminate false allegations," said spokesman Scott McClellan.

He also indicated that the calls to close the jail would fall on deaf ears.

"These are dangerous terrorists that we're talking about that are there and I think we've talked about that issue before and nothing's changed in terms of our views," McClellan added.

But Amnesty International backed the call for shutting down Guantanamo, which it said represented "just the tip of the iceberg" of U.S.-run detention facilities worldwide.

"The U.S. can no longer make the case, morally or legally, for keeping it open," the London-based group said.

Harsh treatment, such as placing detainees in solitary confinement, stripping them naked, subjecting them to severe temperatures, and threatening them with dogs could amount to torture, which is banned in all circumstances, the report said.

"The excessive violence used in many cases during transportation ... and forced-feeding of detainees on hunger strike must be assessed as amounting to torture," it added.

The five investigators said they were particularly concerned by attempts by the U.S. administration to "redefine" the nature of torture to allow certain interrogation techniques.

Washington, which denies any international laws are being broken, accused the U.N. investigators of acting like prosecution lawyers with the report, selecting only those elements that backed their case.

Washington also denies that the force-feeding of inmates on hunger strike, which was undertaken to save their lives, amounted to cruel treatment.

The five U.N. investigators, who include Manfred Nowak, special rapporteur on torture, and Leila Zerrougui, chairwoman of the U.N. Working Group on Arbitrary Detention, said the findings were based on interviews with past detainees, lawyers and replies to questions put to the U.S. government.

The five turned down a U.S. offer to visit the detention center late last year because Washington would not allow them to interview individual detainees.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 12:49 PM   #2
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Old February 16th, 2006, 01:11 PM   #3
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Old February 16th, 2006, 01:57 PM   #4
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Will you still say that if we need to do something about Iran ?
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Old February 16th, 2006, 02:04 PM   #5
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Will you still say that if we need to do something about Iran ?
I meant "good" only as to Guantanamo. Although I'll probably still think that if and when the bombs start dropping on nuke facilities in Iran.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 02:21 PM   #6
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Unfortunatly other countries in the world remember that GW doesn't give a rat's about their opinion.

That imapcts their willingness to cooperate with us. So you should care what they think, oyr would you rather go it alone again ?

What I can never understand is what many Bushies can't can't concieve that actaully listening to the opinions of other counties is NOT the same a always giving in to those opinions.

I just hear things like we won't let the UN [plug in France, Russia, China, Turkey ...] run OUR foriegn policy. Listening to and being respectful of is not the same thing but it might over time won a few converts.

Gitmo is a disgrace, if it wasn't the US doing it, our government would be all over the country that was.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 02:32 PM   #7
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It is indeed puzzling that there are a number of folks on the right (not all, mind you) that think we could pull the covers over our heads and still thrive and survive as the big power on the planet.

I'm here to tell ya that we cannot lick the rest of the world, not matter how fast and hard they want to thump their chests.
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It is indeed puzzling that there are a number of folks on the right (not all, mind you) that think we could pull the covers over our heads and still thrive and survive as the big power on the planet.

I'm here to tell ya that we cannot lick the rest of the world, not matter how fast and hard they want to thump their chests.
You are right... and the rest of the world couldn't lick us either.
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But having their hel pcertainly makes life easier not to mention costing us less less in the lives of our troops
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But having their hel pcertainly makes life easier not to mention costing us less less in the lives of our troops
Does "less less" mean really tiny?
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Does "less less" mean really tiny?
I think it means "more." In which case, I agree with Nidan.
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I think it means "more." In which case, I agree with Nidan.
My god did you just type this?

Thats two in one day for you kolo...
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I've always said my typing sucks.

So you think that actually having help and good relations with other countries by definition wil cost us more ? Hmm what is the rationale for that ?

Note: Nobody is suggesting handing over veto power on our actions here or requiring some kind of multilateral agreement [though it would be nice].

No all I'm talking about is being respectful and listening to other opinions and you think this is a bad idea. Why ?
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I've always said my typing sucks.

So you think that actually having help and good relations with other countries by definition wil cost us more ? Hmm what is the rationale for that ?

Note: Nobody is suggesting handing over veto power on our actions here or requiring some kind of multilateral agreement [though it would be nice].

No all I'm talking about is being respectful and listening to other opinions and you think this is a bad idea. Why ?
Who are you talking to?
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Who are you talking to?
I think me. And Nidan, I typed "more" with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I do see the sense in trying to get along with other nations, but when doing so lies contrary to our national interest (as closing Gitmo would do for a host of reasons, and more than just practical ones), I think you'd agree that we should go it alone. And I'm sure you'd agree that you and I probably have big differences of opinion on what foreign and domestic policies lay contrary to our national interest.
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