swd1974

Just curious what is bad here? Did the president frame these guys ala Hitler and the Reichstag fire? Are they innocent and this is made up? Did they catch these guys via phone call transcripts thus illegal and should be allowed to continue the attack?

I know nothing ever good can be done nowadays so I was hoping the liberals could tell me what REALLY happened here.

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Pariah

I don't know that the left will say, if anything... I suspect they'll be overjoyed--(despite their misguided politics ), they don't want people to die.

This seems like a pretty big deal, though.

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PortlandCardFan

BAM!!! Home Land Security...

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Good job, FBI!

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conraddobler

I'm very glad they caught them, I say good job FBI.

I'd add though they don't sound extremely bright, which could have made the whole arresting them thing easier, still good job.

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82CardsGrad

Their job becomes much more difficult when liberal rags like the NY Times pulls this crap!!


NYTIMES BLABBERMOUTHS STRIKE AGAIN
By Michelle Malkin · June 22, 2006 11:43 PM
***update: The Los Angeles Times piles on and flaps its mouth, too***

Dammit. These people don't know when to stop. The anonymous leak-addicted NYTimes tag team of Eric Lichtblau and James Risen is at it again. Their front-page, splashy piece posted on the web tonight and top-linked on Drudge:

Bank Data Sifted in Secret by U.S. to Block Terror"Secret?"
Not anymore.

Under a secret Bush administration program initiated weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, counterterrorism officials have gained access to financial records from a vast international database and examined banking transactions involving thousands of Americans and others in the United States, according to government and industry officials.
The program is limited, government officials say, to tracing transactions of people suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda by reviewing records from the nerve center of the global banking industry, a Belgian cooperative that routes about $6 trillion daily between banks, brokerages, stock exchanges and other institutions. The records mostly involve wire transfers and other methods of moving money overseas and into and out of the United States. Most routine financial transactions confined to this country are not in the database.

Viewed by the Bush administration as a vital tool, the program has played a hidden role in domestic and foreign terrorism investigations since 2001 and helped in the capture of the most wanted Qaeda figure in Southeast Asia, the officials said.

"Hidden?" Not anymore.

The blabbermouths who have just blown the cover on this program don't seem to care that they've sabotaged a successful counterterrorism tool:

[The program] has provided clues to money trails and ties between possible terrorists and groups financing them, the officials said. In some instances, they said, the program has pointed them to new suspects, while in others it has buttressed cases already under investigation.
Among the successes was the capture of a Qaeda operative, Riduan Isamuddin, better known as Hambali, believed to be the mastermind of the 2002 bombing of a Bali resort, several officials said. The Swift data identified a previously unknown figure in Southeast Asia who had financial dealings with a person suspected of being a member of Al Qaeda; that link helped locate Hambali in Thailand in 2003, they said.

In the United States, the program has provided financial data in investigations into possible domestic terrorist cells as well as inquiries of Islamic charities with suspected of having links to extremists, the officials said.

The data also helped identify a Brooklyn man who was convicted on terrorism-related charges last year, the officials said. The man, Uzair Paracha, who worked at a New York import business, aided a Qaeda operative in Pakistan by agreeing to launder $200,000 through a Karachi bank, prosecutors said.

In terrorism prosecutions, intelligence officials have been careful to "sanitize," or hide the origins of evidence collected through the program to keep it secret, officials said.

Now all their careful efforts have been destroyed by Bush-deranged reporters who fashion themselves the true protectors of America. Here's editor Bill Keller explaning why he ignored the Bush administration's argument for keeping the legal program secret:

Bill Keller, the newspaper's executive editor, said: "We have listened closely to the administration's arguments for withholding this information, and given them the most serious and respectful consideration. We remain convinced that the administration's extraordinary access to this vast repository of international financial data, however carefully targeted use of it may be, is a matter of public interest."
"Public interest," my you-know-what.

As Stephen Spruiell at The Media Blog points out (hat tip: Allah):

According to the NYT's own reporting, the program is legal. The program is helping us catch terrorists. The administration has briefed the appropriate members of Congress. The program has built-in safeguards to prevent abuse. And yet, with nothing more than a vague appeal to the "public interest" (which apparently is not outweighed in this case by the public's interest in apprehending terrorists), the NYT disregards all that and publishes intimate, classified details about the program. Keller and his team really do believe they are above the law. When it comes to national security, it isn't the government that should decide when secrecy is essential to a program's effectiveness. It is the New York Times.
National security be damned. There are Pulitzers to be won.

And more fat book advances to be chased, no doubt.

Dback Jon

The Miami Seven: How Serious Was the Threat?
The group indicted for terror plans appears to have had more in common with homegrown cults than al-Qaeda terrorists. Which doesn't mean they weren't dangerous
By TONY KARON
Posted Friday, Jun. 23, 2006

The Federal government has indicted seven men arrested in Miami on charges of conspiring with al-Qaeda to conduct terror attacks inside the U.S. Among the ostensible targets named in the indictment was Chicago's Sears Tower. But was this a credible terror conspiracy? As the story unfolds, here are four skeptical questions worth pondering.

Was this an al-Qaeda-linked plot, or were these men simply wannabes?

From initial reports and the contents of the indictment, the latter seems most likely. The arrested men appear to be part of a cult organization proclaiming itself to be Muslim — although a member of the same religious group says it is, in fact, based on a homebrew of Islam and Christianity, and calls itself "Seas of David." Its members, mainly Americans and Haitan immigrants, clearly have an enthusiasm for emulating and following al-Qaeda. But their only "connection" with al-Qaeda appears to have been the fact that a government informant who had infiltrated their ranks had apparently convinced the alleged conspirators that he was, in fact, a Qaeda operative. The oaths of allegiance to the organization alleged by the indictment to have been taken by the accused were administered not by any representative of the organization, but to a U.S. government agent posing as a Qaeda operative.

Were they behaving as professional terrorists?

No, at least not according to the initial flood of reports that portayed them as strutting around a poor black neighborhood in military-style uniforms, wearing turbans, standing guard around the abandoned warehouse in which they lived and conducting late-night exercise drills, while telling neighbors that they had "given their lives to Allah." The basic habit of trained terrorists is secrecy and stealth; they do their utmost to fit in with their surroundings rather than stand out. The Miami seven, according to reports thus far, seemed to have been doing the exact opposite, behaving more like a Hollywood B-movie version of terrorists than the real thing....

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40yearfan

If we ever have another attack in New York, the only safe place to be will be the NY Times building. The terrorists wouldn't attack one of their allies.

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Dback Jon

More Republican BS :rollseyes:

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Krangthebrain

I agree Jon, this IS more bs.

This is what's wrong with politics and political nuts. Which is why I didn't come back to this board for a long time.

I got caught up in it, then I realized just how retarded it was and I stopped. I don't know if anyone noticed that I don't really attack the other side that much any more? It's just stupid.

We're all Americans, we just have different views. That includes the NY Times and even Fox.

Krangthebrain

And this garbage too. Swd1974, you must be really deluded to say something like this. I know you come back with some faux witty response that we all see right through. We know your game and it's old.

Any liberal I know would applaud this.

40yearfan

Krang, being in the job you are in, you think it's OK for the press to publish all our secrets? Isn't this going to eventually effect how you do your job? When does security override the people's right to know? How can you and others do your jobs if the bad guys know exactly what you are doing?

You are the last person I thought would be in favor of this.

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CardFan67

I am going to hate the republican chest beating on this one, but if you watched the today show this morning you probably would have refrained from that last sentence, it just does not fit with their reporting...

swd1974

Maybe you outta, I dont know, open your eyes and read the forums a bit more. Look at anything that has happened that was positive (not much I know) and read the threads.

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wallyburger

I noticed. I thought you had a twin brother.

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