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The photo, published in The New York Times on November 22, 1945
Note the Date. The Pearl Harbor hearings were after the war was over and not during an election year. The whole 9/11 commission is a political process more than a fact finding one it appears to me.
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“votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.” ~H. L. Mencken
Actually, your point is that the commission is driven by politics, and I would agree. So, if you knew who initiated the commission we could figure out what the political motives (and perhaps desired outcome) were and why the timing happened the way it did.
Actually, your point is that the commission is driven by politics, and I would agree. So, if you knew who initiated the commission we could figure out what the political motives (and perhaps desired outcome) were and why the timing happened the way it did.
My intention was not to assign blame. I believe the White House initated it after caving into political pressure to do so.
Do you have a point here or are you on a fact finding quest as to the origin of the commission?
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“votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.” ~H. L. Mencken
Note the Date. The Pearl Harbor hearings were after the war was over and not during an election year. The whole 9/11 commission is a political process more than a fact finding one it appears to me.
The war against terror will never be finished - today's weaponry guarantees that a few men can do major damage. The sooner the short-coming of our intellegence systems are brought to light and fixed, the more lives will be saved.
The war against terror will never be finished - today's weaponry guarantees that a few men can do major damage. The sooner the short-coming of our intellegence systems are brought to light and fixed, the more lives will be saved.
So are you saying this commission is not a political witch hunt?
I agree that is the danger with the war on terrorism. It will go on and even after it should be over elements in the government will want to keep it going to justify civil rights violations or funding of the military industrial complex etc. I just don't think we are at that point yet. There are still bad guys to catch and kill out there and public self deprication is not relly going to help us do that right now.
It will help to cloud the issue and make us second guess a lot of stuff that we can't (or won't) change now anyway.
This perhaps could have been prevented if the finding from Al Gore's commission would have been followed years ago. I don't say that to blame Gore just like I don't blame Bush. It is a symptom of our government not a direct reflection of who occupies the oval office.
I remember reading about the FAA inspections in the 90's. The airport security failed horribly, so what do they do? The start telling the airports when they will be inspecting and they still failed. The failings of airport security are nothing new. The hijackers didn't even bother to use false names.
The Phoenix letters, sent to the FBI from their own agents warning about the pilot training but ignored by the Justice Department, paint a pretty clear picture to me that the government (in general) has it head up it own backside.
After we know all this how can we have any faith that this commission will make any meaningful changes?
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“votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.” ~H. L. Mencken
That the "injuries" from this commision will be self-inflicted.
About the 9-11 Commission "the White House initated it after caving into political pressure to do so." and that this commission is basically "a political witch hunt".
Those two facts cannot be considered independent from one another.
That the "injuries" from this commision will be self-inflicted.
About the 9-11 Commission "the White House initated it after caving into political pressure to do so." and that this commission is basically "a political witch hunt".
Those two facts cannot be considered independent from one another.
I am still a little fuzzy on what your point is.
Are you saying the White House only has themselves to blame? I don't think that would be completely accurate.
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“votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.” ~H. L. Mencken
Are you saying the White House only has themselves to blame? I don't think that would be completely accurate.
Generally, in the past, these types of commissions have be established by one party or another under the guise of "getting to the bottom of the story" but, at some point, if a sitting president gets embarrassed along the line that was just gravey. If, as you say, this is a "witch hunt" that was called only after "caving into political pressure", then the White House doesn't need to look very far if they suffer because of it.
Generally, in the past, these types of commissions have be established by one party or another under the guise of "getting to the bottom of the story" but, at some point, if a sitting president gets embarrassed along the line that was just gravey. If, as you say, this is a "witch hunt" that was called only after "caving into political pressure", then the White House doesn't need to look very far if they suffer because of it.
OH so they didn't cave in to political pressure even though they resisted the calls to form the commission initally? And the fact that Richard Clarke says different things at different times and just happens to be selling a book on the issue is immaterial at this point?
You are saying these are some kind of prebuilt excuses they are lining up ahead of time?
Furthermore you are saying by my posts on this issue I am some kind of apologist for the administration?
Is that a pretty accurate assessment of your point?
Why don't you just say so because I am really tired of trying to make both sides of this argument from your cryptic posts.
I thought one of the most interesting quotes of the Richard Clarke testimony was when he admitted even if the the administration had done everything he recommended they do, from day one, he doubted the attacks would have been avoided. But he still thinks this is all Bush's fault and only if they had listened to him just like Clinton didn't for two years previous.
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“votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.” ~H. L. Mencken
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