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I thank "The great light in the sky, God, whatever he or she or it might be," everyday that I don't live on the other side.
I run a business that has offices over there and they stink, the state stinks, the people stink.
Oh yeah the Jayhawks stink too, Go MIZZOU.
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.
Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling.
"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.
Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."
Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.
According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.
The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."
"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.
Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.
"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."
Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.
"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."
"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"
Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.
"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."
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Originally Posted by nidan
Sorry but a resounding and emphatic no. ID has no place in a science class
the whole idea behind id is that it is not a religious idea. it is based on the idea that something outside of the universe created it. the fact that people tend to view this something as a god is secondary. if i see a watch, it implies a watch maker.
I agree with Banky. If you teach religion in Public School you have to teach all the religions and the distinct possibility that God does not exist at all.
If you want your kid to learn all about the Christian Religion, send him to a Christian School, Church and teach him at home. I won't teach your kid about my Religion, or lack thereof, don't start teaching my kid about yours.
I just don't think we should teach our kids that is a scientific fact that an 800 year man built a gigantic boat and put two of every kind of animal on it.
I just don't think we should teach our kids that is a scientific fact that an 800 year man built a gigantic boat and put two of every kind of animal on it.
It must have been a great adventure with all that animal poop and pee on board.
I just don't think we should teach our kids that is a scientific fact that an 800 year man built a gigantic boat and put two of every kind of animal on it.
Maybe thats one of the reasons Kansas isn't advocating that.
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You don't believe evolution is a valid scientific theory?
i didn't say it wasn't valid. i'm just saying that i don't think it's reasonable to say that people who want to teach id are extremists or wackos. it seems to me that if you have two groups of people, one who demands that their way is the only way, and the other that says, ok, that idea is fine, here's another to teach as well, the former would be the more extreme.
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Originally Posted by KingofCards
I just don't think we should teach our kids that is a scientific fact that an 800 year man built a gigantic boat and put two of every kind of animal on it.
yeah, id teaches that noah created the earth. that makes sense.
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