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Time: Nearly 20% Of Soldiers In Iraq, Afghanistan On Anti-Depressants
By: Logan Murphy @ 6:45 AM - PDT
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Seven months after Sergeant Christopher LeJeune started scouting Baghdad’s dangerous roads — acting as bait to lure insurgents into the open so his Army unit could kill them — he found himself growing increasingly despondent. “We’d been doing some heavy missions, and things were starting to bother me,” LeJeune says. His unit had been protecting Iraqi police stations targeted by rocket-propelled grenades, hunting down mortars hidden in dark Baghdad basements and cleaning up its own messes. He recalls the order his unit got after a nighttime firefight to roll back out and collect the enemy dead. When LeJeune and his buddies arrived, they discovered that some of the bodies were still alive. “You don’t always know who the bad guys are,” he says. “When you search someone’s house, you have it built up in your mind that these guys are terrorists, but when you go in, there’s little bitty tiny shoes and toys on the floor — things like that started affecting me a lot more than I thought they would.”
While the headline-grabbing weapons in this war have been high-tech wonders, like unmanned drones that drop Hellfire missiles on the enemy below, troops like LeJeune are going into battle with a different kind of weapon, one so stealthy that few Americans even know of its deployment. For the first time in history, a sizable and growing number of U.S. combat troops are taking daily doses of antidepressants to calm nerves strained by repeated and lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Read on…
With so many soldiers and marines being sent on multiple tours of duty in such hellish conditions, this comes as no surprise. Military suicide rates are at a twenty year high, and it’s clear that we’ve only seen the beginning of what is shaping up to be another generation of veterans who will suffer a lifetime of mental and physical anguish, who are forced to beg their country for help. John McCain says he hates war, but his actions don’t match his words. Vote Obama in November…
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Time: Nearly 20% Of Soldiers In Iraq, Afghanistan On Anti-Depressants
By: Logan Murphy @ 6:45 AM - PDT
Time:
Seven months after Sergeant Christopher LeJeune started scouting Baghdad’s dangerous roads — acting as bait to lure insurgents into the open so his Army unit could kill them — he found himself growing increasingly despondent. “We’d been doing some heavy missions, and things were starting to bother me,” LeJeune says. His unit had been protecting Iraqi police stations targeted by rocket-propelled grenades, hunting down mortars hidden in dark Baghdad basements and cleaning up its own messes. He recalls the order his unit got after a nighttime firefight to roll back out and collect the enemy dead. When LeJeune and his buddies arrived, they discovered that some of the bodies were still alive. “You don’t always know who the bad guys are,” he says. “When you search someone’s house, you have it built up in your mind that these guys are terrorists, but when you go in, there’s little bitty tiny shoes and toys on the floor — things like that started affecting me a lot more than I thought they would.”
While the headline-grabbing weapons in this war have been high-tech wonders, like unmanned drones that drop Hellfire missiles on the enemy below, troops like LeJeune are going into battle with a different kind of weapon, one so stealthy that few Americans even know of its deployment. For the first time in history, a sizable and growing number of U.S. combat troops are taking daily doses of antidepressants to calm nerves strained by repeated and lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Read on…
With so many soldiers and marines being sent on multiple tours of duty in such hellish conditions, this comes as no surprise. Military suicide rates are at a twenty year high, and it’s clear that we’ve only seen the beginning of what is shaping up to be another generation of veterans who will suffer a lifetime of mental and physical anguish, who are forced to beg their country for help. John McCain says he hates war, but his actions don’t match his words. Vote Obama in November…
Is this significantly higher than in previous battles? Is it higher than the general population?
I know this for certain - today, in our "fix-me ASAP" world, where pills are popped more today than ever before, more Americans are popping more pills than ever before...
Not at all diminishing what our brave men and women have experienced... Can't even begin to fathom the horror they have dealt with...
When I spoke to the head of PTSD programs for Israel's military reserves, he said if a soldier needs psych meds -- any psych meds -- he will not be put into a combat position while on them -- plus they try several non-drug interventions first.
When you look at the rising rate of suicides in our military, and the number of people returned to the front lines with untreated PTSD, panic attacks, depression; the number of men and women re-re-redeployed and losing jobs, businesses, families (and friends left and right) you have to understand that this war is not just breaking our military -- it's destroying it.
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Is this significantly higher than in previous battles? Is it higher than the general population?
I know this for certain - today, in our "fix-me ASAP" world, where pills are popped more today than ever before, more Americans are popping more pills than ever before...
Not at all diminishing what our brave men and women have experienced... Can't even begin to fathom the horror they have dealt with...
It shigher than normal. Not that that will affect your thinking or any of the republicrats out thiere. This is great for them. Helps their oil friends getting Iraq AND the drug companies that endorse them! A win win for everyone but the actual Unites States of America.
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10% of women and 6% of men today take anti-depressants in the U.S.
1 in 7 serving in Iraq is a woman.
Here's some context to this answer... Important to note the incredible rise in the use of prescription drugs in this country, particularly anti-depressants...
Source: Washington Post
Date: 3 December 2004
Antidepressant Use By U.S. Adults Soars Cost and Risk Questions Mount in Face Of Overall Surge in Prescription Drugs
By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer
One in 10 American women takes an antidepressant drug such as Prozac, Paxil or Zoloft, and the use of such drugs by all adults has nearly tripled in the last decade, according to the latest figures on American health released yesterday by the federal government.
Those numbers are among a broad array of changes in health and health care use in the United States identified in the report. It confirmed that prescription drug costs are soaring faster than any other area of medical care as ever-increasing numbers of Americans take drugs for psychiatric conditions, to lower their cholesterol, to control asthma and for a wide range of other reasons.
In 2002, the latest year for which data were available, the total tab for health care soared to $1.6 trillion -- of which prescription drugs accounted for $162 billion, the report found. Drug costs rose by 15 percent over the year before, driven by a combination of more expensive medicines and increased use.
The report comes at a time when questions are growing about the costs and safety of many prescription drugs. The Food and Drug Administration recently concluded that antidepressants can increase the risk of suicidal behavior among children, and the manufacturer of Vioxx abruptly recalled the popular painkiller for safety reasons.
A senior FDA official testified in Congress last month that he believes five other approved drugs are dangerous and should be taken off the market.
Antidepressant drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) showed some of the largest increases in use, the report said.
By 2000, the proportion of adults using such drugs had nearly tripled, compared with the data set that ended in 1994.
In 2002, more than one in three doctor's office visits by women involved a prescription for an antidepressant, said Amy Bernstein, project director for the report issued by the Center for Mental Health Services of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"It gives you an idea of what is happening during these visits," said Bernstein, who explained that the statistic included patients already on the drugs and those getting a new prescription.
The number of children getting psychiatric drugs also soared. In 2002, about 6 percent of all boys and girls were taking antidepressants, triple the rate in the period 1994-96. And about 14 percent of boys -- nearly one in seven -- were on stimulant drugs in 2002, double the number in 1994-96, the report found. Stimulant drugs are usually used to treat attention deficit disorder.
The number of adults taking cholesterol-lowering statin drugs nearly quadrupled from 1995-96 to 2001-02, the report found.
Overall, 44 percent of all Americans, including children, were taking at least one prescription drug in 1999-2000, a statistically significant 5 percent increase since 1994.
The proportion taking three or more prescription drugs increased from 12 to 17 percent during that same time, Bernstein said.
"Factors affecting the recent increase in utilization of medications include the growth of third-party insurance coverage for drugs, the availability of successful new drugs, marketing to physicians and increasingly directly to consumers, and clinical guidelines recommending increased utilization of medications for conditions such as high cholesterol, acid-reflux disease, and asthma," the report concluded.
Julie Zito, a pharmaco-epidemiologist at the University of Maryland at Baltimore, said it is difficult to characterize as good or bad the increased use of drugs without studies that ask how people are faring as a result.
"As the numbers keep growing year after year after year, and larger proportions of the population appear to be suffering from conditions or getting treatments they may or may not be benefiting from, that would be an argument to follow large cohorts of patients in community studies to assess effectiveness and safety," she said.
The drug industry's umbrella trade group said the increased use of medications is a good thing.
"We have more medicines and better medicines for more diseases, and patients are being more effectively treated," said Jeff Trewhitt, a spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.
"They are living longer largely because of new treatments, and that is good news."
Trewhitt said there are numerous examples of how increased use of drugs -- such as cholesterol-lowering statins -- reduce overall health care costs by controlling heart disease and reducing more expensive hospitalizations.
On the increase in antidepressant use, Trewhitt said, "I don't know how to read that. We just don't have any information -- it's not something we have studied."
So yes, the short answer is that 20% is much higher than the US average, 2-3 times higher, given the predominance of males there and the general stigma about psych problems in men and in the military. Just as the military suicide rate is now higher than civilian rates. That is also higher than in any past war where such data was tracked, including Vietnam.
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oderint dum metuant (Latin for 'let them hate, so long as they fear').
Well, in truth I'm actually not a total hawk, but I'm not a dove either -- I'm more like an angry pigeon flying over the political arena after a really big meal. -Abba Gav
Is this significantly higher than in previous battles? Is it higher than the general population?
I know this for certain - today, in our "fix-me ASAP" world, where pills are popped more today than ever before, more Americans are popping more pills than ever before...
Not at all diminishing what our brave men and women have experienced... Can't even begin to fathom the horror they have dealt with...
Most asinine comments I've ever read. As a Soldier, I take great offense to you belittling the troubles facing my brothers in Iraq everyday.
I know guys that wake up screaming and shaking due to the shock caused by IEDs, rockets, mortars, and watching people they've known for years die in front of their eyes. This war is causing all kinds of emotional disturbances among those serving there. At least in WWII you knew who the enemy was; in Iraq and Afghanistan you don't know.
My wife's cousin who is like a little brother to me, joined the Army because I talked into and went to Iraq immediately after joining his first unit. He was blown up 3 times, and is now suffering from PTSD. He's not some ***** that can't deal with his problems; he initially avoided "popping pills" as you so smugly and condescending call it. And he had major problems sleeping and dealing with everyday life. So he sought help, though he'll never quite be the same again...
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Most asinine comments I've ever read. As a Soldier, I take great offense to you belittling the troubles facing my brothers in Iraq everyday.
I know guys that wake up screaming and shaking due to the shock caused by IEDs, rockets, mortars, and watching people they've known for years die in front of their eyes. This war is causing all kinds of emotional disturbances among those serving there. At least in WWII you knew who the enemy was; in Iraq and Afghanistan you don't know.
My wife's cousin who is like a little brother to me, joined the Army because I talked into and went to Iraq immediately after joining his first unit. He was blown up 3 times, and is now suffering from PTSD. He's not some ***** that can't deal with his problems; he initially avoided "popping pills" as you so smugly and condescending call it. And he had major problems sleeping and dealing with everyday life. So he sought help, though he'll never quite be the same again...
Krang, I can sympathize with you, but don't forget the Vietnam veterans. They face unimaginable horrors at every turn and a dense jungle that offered cover to all sorts of bobby traps. The Vietnamese were masters at trying to kill the pysche of our military people.
Hey, Krang. Thanks for the response from one who is in the middle of it all. Good to hear from you.
This war is unique. Everyday is a walk on the sun. Multiple tours. Knowing that if you get seriously injured, the follow-up is going to suck. Big mixes of RA, National Guard and the private security groups (who are "the princes of the city"). Knowing that absolutely nowhere... and I mean NOWHERE... is safe...not even the "safe zones".
It's a miracle that the usage is not higher than it is.
This is no negative reflection on the kids who are out there on the line laying their arses down for the mission every day. Every one of them should be regaled when they come home. Rather, this is about the imbecilic money-grubbers who put our soldiers in harm's way for their own nefarious purposes, and what it is doing to the tough young lads and lasses who are doing the fighting.
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I'm very sure that many of our soldiers in Iraq are depressed. How could you not be? You're away from your family, you live in fear for your life, you see horrible things and see your friends die. But 20% isn't that much higher than the 15 to 16% figures that many researchers claim.
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Krang, I can sympathize with you, but don't forget the Vietnam veterans. They face unimaginable horrors at every turn and a dense jungle that offered cover to all sorts of bobby traps. The Vietnamese were masters at trying to kill the pysche of our military people.
Yes, and they brought the same problems home with them as are the Iraq / Afgan vets are - those problems, for the most part, were undiagnosed. If to take a look at current VA reports now though, you'll find that more and more Vietnam vets are going to the VA and report symptoms for the last 40 years that describe to a T PTSD and other psychological trauma.
[edit] - this isn't about having someone take a man-pill and get on with it. This is trying to assimilate combat vets back into society once the war is over. We've put them into battle, let's put them back into society when they get back.
[edit] - this isn't about having someone take a man-pill and get on with it. This is trying to assimilate combat vets back into society once the war is over. We've put them into battle, let's put them back into society when they get back.
Yes, I agree with this. Everything that can be done needs to be done to help them when they get back. However, the soldiers need to be willing to help themselves. A friend's husband came back with some signs of post traumatic stress, but he has refused to get help for it. His convoy was attacked more than once, but on one occasion his vehicle was hit with an RPG and he got his bell rung and a friend of his was killed.
Krang, I can sympathize with you, but don't forget the Vietnam veterans. They face unimaginable horrors at every turn and a dense jungle that offered cover to all sorts of bobby traps. The Vietnamese were masters at trying to kill the pysche of our military people.
And the longer we're there, the worse of an impact it's going to have on returning Soldiers/Marines...
Vietnam is the perfect example, and look at the longterm effects it's had on our country.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.