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Old April 21st, 2005, 03:35 PM   #1
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House Approves Broad Energy Bill


The House approved a broad energy bill Thursday aimed at boosting domestic production, including provisions to allow oil drilling in an Alaska wildlife refuge and to shield makers of a gasoline additive from water contamination lawsuits.

The largely Republican crafted bill was approved 249-183 after two days in which the GOP majority turned back repeated attempts by Democrats to add measures they said would reduce energy use, including a proposal for higher automobile fuel economy requirements.

The bill includes $12 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for energy companies, more than the Bush administration said it wanted. Nevertheless the White House strongly endorsed the measure.


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Old April 21st, 2005, 03:37 PM   #2
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The House approved a broad energy bill Thursday aimed at boosting domestic production, including provisions to allow oil drilling in an Alaska wildlife refuge and to shield makers of a gasoline additive from water contamination lawsuits.

The largely Republican crafted bill was approved 249-183 after two days in which the GOP majority turned back repeated attempts by Democrats to add measures they said would reduce energy use, including a proposal for higher automobile fuel economy requirements.

The bill includes $12 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for energy companies, more than the Bush administration said it wanted. Nevertheless the White House strongly endorsed the measure.


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Old April 21st, 2005, 03:37 PM   #3
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The House approved a broad energy bill Thursday aimed at boosting domestic production, including provisions to allow oil drilling in an Alaska wildlife refuge and to shield makers of a gasoline additive from water contamination lawsuits.

The largely Republican crafted bill was approved 249-183 after two days in which the GOP majority turned back repeated attempts by Democrats to add measures they said would reduce energy use, including a proposal for higher automobile fuel economy requirements.

The bill includes $12 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for energy companies, more than the Bush administration said it wanted. Nevertheless the White House strongly endorsed the measure.


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Why do energy companies, that are making record profits, need tax breaks?
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Old April 21st, 2005, 03:44 PM   #4
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Why would makers of a gasoline additive need sheilding from water contamination lawsuits?
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Old April 21st, 2005, 03:55 PM   #5
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Why would makers of a gasoline additive need sheilding from water contamination lawsuits?
Because they have a lot of bucks to give to candidates and can afford to hire the best lobbys. Our whole political system is made to run on grease and those with the most grease get the most support.

The only thing I like about John McCain is that he did make an honest effort to change this system, but there's too much money and power that want to keep the old system. So you and I watch this stuff happen, shake our heads and walk away.

We need a third party.
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Why would makers of a gasoline additive need sheilding from water contamination lawsuits?
Perhaps because the feds mandated that the MTBE be included in the gasoline to oxygenate the mix back in the late 80's....

....anyone remember when the EPA was threatening to withhold federal highway funds unless Arizona included MTBE in the gas mix to deal with the air quality problems during the summer months?

Ethanol was a common ingredient in the gasoline market that was to be replaced with MTBE...The idea was that it would be a good way to reduce both carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon emissions from vehicles

....unfortuanately during the transition from Ethanol based gasoline to MTBE based gas caused an increased amount of corrosion (I'm guessing here because I've been out of the environmental field for 7 years...) in the pipelines and the USTs which of course has turned what was an air quality problem into a drinkingwater/soil problem...

I do remember that quite a few states were asking the EPA for a moritorium on the MTBE mandate...but were declined. Which has turned out to be kinda sad considering that when the EPA limits its protection scope to air it ended up ignoring other resources that they were required to protect.
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Why do energy companies, that are making record profits, need tax breaks?
Methinks most of the tax breaks is to spur construction of natural gas pipelines and improve the nation’s electricity grid system.
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Jeff Flake voted against this bill.
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So frustrating to think that those entities that are given monopolistic/oligopolistic power to control resources, along with the huge profit generating revenues that accompany such an arrangement just don't have enough conscience to serve the society that gave them this gift. It just never seems to be enough for these evil hearted bastards and their political lackeys.
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So frustrating to think that those entities that are given monopolistic/oligopolistic power to control resources, along with the huge profit generating revenues that accompany such an arrangement just don't have enough conscience to serve the society that gave them this gift. It just never seems to be enough for these evil hearted bastards and their political lackeys.
Doesn't this post belong in the baseball forum?
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Doesn't this post belong in the baseball forum?
Same logic applies to the same clowns. Same pose, different clothes.
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