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Old February 5th, 2007, 08:47 PM   #46
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Good. It's a lot different than what you originally said, which caused me to say something. As long as you respect the office, I'm cool with going after the man and his policy.

Here's what I mean. I went to the Pat Tillman tribute at Sun Devil. They had a prerecorded video from the president about Tillman. It's all in honor of Tillman. They start the video, and a bunch of jerkoffs start to boo. I wanted to rip open some faces on the spot. First, they ruined a Tillman tribute. Second, they completely and utterly disrespected POTUS, which is inexcusable, IMO.
I remember that. What a bunch of jerks.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 12:52 PM   #47
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Good. It's a lot different than what you originally said, which caused me to say something. As long as you respect the office, I'm cool with going after the man and his policy.

Here's what I mean. I went to the Pat Tillman tribute at Sun Devil. They had a prerecorded video from the president about Tillman. It's all in honor of Tillman. They start the video, and a bunch of jerkoffs start to boo. I wanted to rip open some faces on the spot. First, they ruined a Tillman tribute. Second, they completely and utterly disrespected POTUS, which is inexcusable, IMO.
I respect the office when the person holding the position deserves the respect.

Bush has disgraced the position, this country, the constitution, our founding principals, and the human race. I will never respect him and hold him only in the highest of contempt and disgust...
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Old February 7th, 2007, 01:00 PM   #48
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I respect the office when the person holding the position deserves the respect.

Bush has disgraced the position, this country, the constitution, our founding principals, and the human race. I will never respect him and hold him only in the highest of contempt and disgust...

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Old February 7th, 2007, 01:20 PM   #49
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I respect the office when the person holding the position deserves the respect.

Bush has disgraced the position, this country, the constitution, our founding principals, and the human race. I will never respect him and hold him only in the highest of contempt and disgust...
Just adjust it to say how it seems like you really feel, Loyalty...when someone you voted for, or someone you like, holds the office. Did you respect Clinton? If so, did you respect him as a man, or because he was president? He is garbage as a man through his personal actions, but I never disrespected him. How fine a distinction can you make?

I find stances like this highly hypocritical. You either respect the office or you don't...you can't sometimes do it and somethimes not. Put it this way. If you bumped into G.W. on the street, would you deride him, call him names, or talk to him as you would talk about him on here? Would you rather show him proper respect, and perhaps politely give him your opinions on his policy? Assuming, of course, no Secret Service intervention If you would walk up to POTUS and simply treat him like dirt, then I say you are an incredibly ugly American.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 01:24 PM   #50
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I wouldn't even acknowledge W's existence if I bumped into him on the street. The alternative to me doing that would be disrespectful....
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Old February 7th, 2007, 02:26 PM   #51
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Old February 7th, 2007, 02:40 PM   #52
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Just adjust it to say how it seems like you really feel, Loyalty...when someone you voted for, or someone you like, holds the office. Did you respect Clinton? If so, did you respect him as a man, or because he was president? He is garbage as a man through his personal actions, but I never disrespected him. How fine a distinction can you make?

I find stances like this highly hypocritical. You either respect the office or you don't...you can't sometimes do it and somethimes not. Put it this way. If you bumped into G.W. on the street, would you deride him, call him names, or talk to him as you would talk about him on here? Would you rather show him proper respect, and perhaps politely give him your opinions on his policy? Assuming, of course, no Secret Service intervention If you would walk up to POTUS and simply treat him like dirt, then I say you are an incredibly ugly American.
Good to see you around, now... Of course you can respect the President or not. I have respect for those who sit in the position and prove themselves worthy or respect. Since when did it become a rule that I (or anyone) must show respect to a man simply because half of the country decided to put him there. Now don't get me wrong, I am respectful to anyone/everyone I come into contact with, being the President does not make a person more deserving. So if I ran into Dubya on the street, I would be polite, BUT I am not required as you say to be in order to be a "pretty" American. Sorry, but there are not concrete rules that you get to decide the proper behavior of others. Nothing hypocritical about respecting one person and not another simply because they shared a job title.

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Old February 7th, 2007, 02:57 PM   #53
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Old February 7th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #54
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I still respect the office, if I met Bush on the street tomorrow and he wanted to chat I would.

I'd shake his hand and talk pleasantly and respectfully and pray he mentioned Iraq.

Then I'd look him right in the eye and tell him that sir I hope you get exactly what you legally deserve under the Constitution of the United States.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 02:58 AM   #55
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I still respect the office, if I met Bush on the street tomorrow and he wanted to chat I would.

I'd shake his hand and talk pleasantly and respectfully and pray he mentioned Iraq.

Then I'd look him right in the eye and tell him that sir I hope you get exactly what you legally deserve under the Constitution of the United States.
You actually get it and understand what I'm saying. Everybody else seems to be missing the point. I am NOT saying to respect the man. You respect the office. Simply being polite, or even politely ignoring him, is abundantly acceptable.

Klod, you're right; I can't dictate the behavior of others. I am quite free, and justified, to say that people who cannot even muster respect for a POTUS, whoever they are, are ugly Americans. I'm also right to call people who will respect one scumbag president but not another hypocrites.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 06:21 AM   #56
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Klod, you're right; I can't dictate the behavior of others. I am quite free, and justified, to say that people who cannot even muster respect for a POTUS, whoever they are, are ugly Americans. I'm also right to call people who will respect one scumbag president but not another hypocrites.
Of course you are. You're also welcome to lump everyone together I guess. Isn't is plausible that one may have respect for one President because of the job they did, but couldn't give a rats ass about his sex life? And, isn't plausible that at the same time you can have zero respect for another President based on the job they do, and still not give a **** about his sex life?

Sorry, but you're coming across as self-rightious to me dictating the proper befavior of others. So you don't approve of Boooing the President, that's certainly your prerogative. Me, not so much. I think people who coddle and treat politicians as if they are above everyone else are doing this country a disservice. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Of course you are. You're also welcome to lump everyone together I guess. Isn't is plausible that one may have respect for one President because of the job they did, but couldn't give a rats ass about his sex life? And, isn't plausible that at the same time you can have zero respect for another President based on the job they do, and still not give a **** about his sex life?

Sorry, but you're coming across as self-rightious to me dictating the proper befavior of others. So you don't approve of Boooing the President, that's certainly your prerogative. Me, not so much. I think people who coddle and treat politicians as if they are above everyone else are doing this country a disservice. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

So cheating on your wife, in the Oval Office, is only about a persons' "sex life", and says nothing about that persons moral deficiencies??
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So cheating on your wife, in the Oval Office, is only about a persons' "sex life", and says nothing about that persons moral deficiencies??
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So cheating on your wife, in the Oval Office, is only about a persons' "sex life", and says nothing about that persons moral deficiencies??

What about the "moral deficiency" of invading a soveriegn nation under false pretences and a country that NEVER did anything to the US? Are you really saying that getting orally copulated in the the oval office is worse than an invasion of soverign nation? Come on, man.
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What about the "moral deficiency" of invading a soveriegn nation under false pretences and a country that NEVER did anything to the US? Are you really saying that getting orally copulated in the the oval office is worse than an invasion of soverign nation? Come on, man.
Bg, if Willy was single and he was getting head, just like most other single men are apt to do - more power to him... But he was married, with a child, and committed a collossal sin that says more about his poorm judgement and inept decision-making, as well as deficient moral fiber, than does invading a country that the entire world viewed as a threat (as evidenced by 14 UN Resolutions) in a ppost 9/11 era...
So, uh... yes. I see the act and the lying committed by Willy as much more telling (and worse) than Iraq... But hey, that's just me...
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