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Old July 14th, 2004, 02:53 AM   #1
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Good example of bias in the media..


John Leo in a recent article points out several obvious examples of media anti-Iraq/Bush bias.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ion/19john.htm

So please tell me again how these rags don't have an agenda? This is why I always take things with a grain of salt, left or right.

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Old July 14th, 2004, 05:23 AM   #2
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John Leo in a recent article points out several obvious examples of media anti-Iraq/Bush bias.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ion/19john.htm

So please tell me again how these rags don't have an agenda? This is why I always take things with a grain of salt, left or right.

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Yeah, it showed a few weeks ago when you proudly displayed your evidence for terror being at a 35 year low and when these numbers were shown to be wrong you disappear from the thread. Come on man, you as well as many here look for stories to support your position. Anything that doesn't is either bias or not a worthy source. This is not only true of you, but for most here.

The problem is true. Media is biased and yes they do have an agenda. It goes both ways.
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Old July 14th, 2004, 05:59 AM   #3
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Media is biased and yes they do have an agenda.
The only "agenda" the media has (and, it's not fair to lump every media outlet together in this sense, because they all have slightly different agendas) is to sell papers, magazines and/or ads. They just all choose to do it to different audiences. So, for example, your "liberal" outlets will write and produce stories that have a liberal slant, because they're selling to liberals. The more sensational, the better.

The "media" doesn't sit down every mornign and say "okay boys, what cause can we take on today and what news can we distort to affect the outcome?". It's not a grand conspiracy, it's marketing your product for an audience.
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Old July 14th, 2004, 06:02 AM   #4
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The only "agenda" the media has (and, it's not fair to lump every media outlet together in this sense, because they all have slightly different agendas) is to sell papers, magazines and/or ads. They just all choose to do it to different audiences. So, for example, your "liberal" outlets will write and produce stories that have a liberal slant, because they're selling to liberals. The more sensational, the better.

The "media" doesn't sit down every mornign and say "okay boys, what cause can we take on today and what news can we distort to affect the outcome?". It's not a grand conspiracy, it's marketing your product for an audience.
I agree. I think the bias that most bothers me is the stories they choose not to tell.

Edit: I never claimed there was any conspiracy and don't look for them myself.
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Old July 14th, 2004, 06:33 AM   #5
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I have always wondered about that huge, left leaning company named GE. That Jack Welch charachter is a huge liberal.
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Old July 14th, 2004, 06:46 AM   #6
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Yeah, it showed a few weeks ago when you proudly displayed your evidence for terror being at a 35 year low and when these numbers were shown to be wrong you disappear from the thread. Come on man, you as well as many here look for stories to support your position. Anything that doesn't is either bias or not a worthy source. This is not only true of you, but for most here.

The problem is true. Media is biased and yes they do have an agenda. It goes both ways.
Proudly is a bit of an overstatement. The problem is that when the numbers were shown to be inaccurate that there were retractions made by the reporting sources. In this instance there was barely acknowledgement and no apology given for the obviously negative assertation by the LA Times columnist.

I agree that many people on the boards point to their factions media as holders of the truth and in the next breath condemn the opposing views media as schills. The major problem I have is that the portrayal of the war in Iraq and the actual war in Iraq appear to be two completely different things. After reading so many soldiers accounts of what is going on in Iraq I don't understand how any of the major media outlets or politicians can use quagmire and Iraq in the same sentence.

I am thankful for the internet to allow us all to seek out and find the real answers(as real as can be without witnessing ourselves at any rate) to our questions.

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Old July 14th, 2004, 07:09 AM   #7
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Proudly is a bit of an overstatement. The problem is that when the numbers were shown to be inaccurate that there were retractions made by the reporting sources. In this instance there was barely acknowledgement and no apology given for the obviously negative assertation by the LA Times columnist.

I agree that many people on the boards point to their factions media as holders of the truth and in the next breath condemn the opposing views media as schills. The major problem I have is that the portrayal of the war in Iraq and the actual war in Iraq appear to be two completely different things. After reading so many soldiers accounts of what is going on in Iraq I don't understand how any of the major media outlets or politicians can use quagmire and Iraq in the same sentence.

I am thankful for the internet to allow us all to seek out and find the real answers(as real as can be without witnessing ourselves at any rate) to our questions.

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I'll retract my use of "proudly". Your post was well said and I do agree to a point.

This may be unpopular, but I have trouble accepting a soldiers view just as much as the media's in regards to Iraq. I have great respect for the Military and support them all. That said I believe in order to exist in that atmosphere one would need to believe they are doing the "right thing". That would mean to me that their account would be biased to support their belief. They would see things through filters. I would too. How else can you deal with that. Of course there are exceptions.

The other problem I have with these is that some of the accounts that have been spread through email are found to be fake and from people that either do not exist or are not there. It's tough to get a feel for what is true.
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Old July 14th, 2004, 09:17 AM   #8
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I'll retract my use of "proudly". Your post was well said and I do agree to a point.

This may be unpopular, but I have trouble accepting a soldiers view just as much as the media's in regards to Iraq. I have great respect for the Military and support them all. That said I believe in order to exist in that atmosphere one would need to believe they are doing the "right thing". That would mean to me that their account would be biased to support their belief. They would see things through filters. I would too. How else can you deal with that. Of course there are exceptions.

The other problem I have with these is that some of the accounts that have been spread through email are found to be fake and from people that either do not exist or are not there. It's tough to get a feel for what is true.
But who better to know what it going on out in the field then the people in the field themselves. It's like working a construction project. You can't run the project from a remote office. The project has to be run from the job-site by people who are there during working hours.

How many reporters actually go into the field with the troops and see first hand what is happening? How many of them see how our troops interact with the Iraqi's and how the ordinary Iraqi deals with the situation as it exists now?
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Old July 14th, 2004, 12:40 PM   #9
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But who better to know what it going on out in the field then the people in the field themselves. It's like working a construction project. You can't run the project from a remote office. The project has to be run from the job-site by people who are there during working hours.

How many reporters actually go into the field with the troops and see first hand what is happening? How many of them see how our troops interact with the Iraqi's and how the ordinary Iraqi deals with the situation as it exists now?
From the perspective you paint you are correct. BUT, what I feel some fail to recognize in reading these BLOG's is that the people writing them are writing from their perspective, their sense of what it all means. They are of course telling their version, but is it a version that is accurate? Is it dressed up, not by direct mistruths, but by omission. Is it a version they have created to help them deal with the hell they endure? I don't know? I am not saying it is, I just take it with the same grain of salt I do the media from both sides.
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