September 20th, 2006, 09:59 AM
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Gonzales Wants Internet Records Saved
Gonzales Wants Internet Records Saved
HOPE YEN / AP | September 19 2006
WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday that Congress should require Internet providers to preserve customer records, asserting that prosecutors need them to fight child pornography.
Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller have met with several Internet providers, including Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, Comcast Corp., Google Inc., Microsoft Corp. and Verizon Communications Inc.
The law enforcement officials have indicated to the companies they must retain customer records, possibly for two years. The companies have discussed strengthening their retention periods _ which currently run the gamut from a few days to about a year _ to help avoid legislation.
During those meetings, which took place earlier this summer, Justice Department officials asserted that customer records would help them investigate child pornography cases. But the FBI also said during the meetings that such records would help their terrorism investigations, said one person who attended the meetings but spoke on condition of anonymity because the meetings were intended to be private.
Testifying to a Senate panel, Gonzales acknowledged the concerns of some company executives who say legislation might be overly intrusive and encroach on customers' privacy rights. But he said the growing threat of child pornography over the Internet was too great.
"This is a problem that requires federal legislation," Gonzales told the Senate Banking Committee. "We need information. Information helps us makes cases."
He called the government's lack of access to customer data the biggest obstacle to deterring child porn.
"We have to find a way for Internet service providers to retain information for a period of time so we can go back with a legal process to get them," he said.
At Tuesday's hearing, Gonzales said he agreed with the sentiment of 49 state attorneys general who in a June letter to Congress expressed support for a federal law that would require longer retention of customer records.
"We respect civil liberties, but we have to harmonize this so we can get more information," he said.
The subject has prompted some alarm among Internet service provider executives and civil liberties groups after the Justice Department took Google to court earlier this year to force it to turn over information on customer searches. Civil liberties groups also have sued Verizon and other telephone companies, alleging that they are working with the government to provide information without search warrants on subscriber calling records.
Justice Department officials have said that any proposal would not call for the content of communications to be preserved and would keep the information in the companies' hands. The data could be obtained by the government through a subpoena or other lawful process.
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September 20th, 2006, 11:16 AM
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Retirement Doesn't Suck
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September 20th, 2006, 11:19 AM
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Don't touch my tail!
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Gonzales is a boob!
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September 20th, 2006, 11:24 AM
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The system doesn't work.
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Who knows how the current process works? How long do providers keep info around for?
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September 20th, 2006, 01:00 PM
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I'm not too computer savvy beyond being very good at the most common applications, but can't they spend more time tracking the servers providing these things rather than blanket surveillance on everyone? Does that make sense? I mean, I don't search for, download or enjoy child porn, but I still do not want records kept on me even though I do nothing wrong. I'm too much into the civil liberties of our citizens for me to accept this. There's gotta be a better way.
As far as I understand it, perpetrators of this sort use mime (?) servers, sometimes located in other countries then retransmitted here, right? Why not make this a global issue and form some type of anti-child porn alliance in the same way we have agreements with other countries for extradition? Let's say the tracer finds that the server that the child porn files originate from are actually in Thailand. If we have an agreement with Thailand, then they arrest the perpetrator and release client records to us, so we can arrest people who download that stuff here in the US?
Like I said, I'm not to keen on how it all works, but would this be a better option?
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September 20th, 2006, 01:09 PM
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RIP George
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Yes, this like most other measures is mostly useless against determined child pronographers. Sites can/are be hosted abroard, browsing can be done foreign hosted anonymiser relays etc.
It does however open up the possiblity of tracking our own citizens online movements more easily. Not to mention imposing an significant unfunded financial burdun on the ISP.
It uses the standard rhetoric of "Protecting our Children", this must be included in any bill designed to regulate the Internet.
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September 20th, 2006, 01:22 PM
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The Pentagon’s War on the Internet
Mike Whitney | February 14 2006
The Pentagon has developed a comprehensive strategy for taking over the internet and controlling the free flow of information. The plan appears in a recently declassified document, “The Information Operations Roadmap”, which was provided under the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) and revealed in an article by the BBC.
The Pentagon sees the internet in terms of a military adversary that poses a vital threat to its stated mission of global domination. This explains the confrontational language in the document which speaks of “fighting the net”; implying that the internet is the equivalent of “an enemy weapons system."
The Defense Dept. places a high-value on controlling information. The new program illustrates their determination to establish the parameters of free speech.
The Pentagon sees information as essential in manipulating public perceptions and, thus, a crucial tool in eliciting support for unpopular policies. The recent revelations of the military placing propaganda in the foreign press demonstrate the importance that is given to co-opting public opinion.
Information-warfare is used to create an impenetrable cloud around the activities of government so that decisions can be made without dissent. The smokescreen of deception that encompasses the Bush administration has less to do with prevaricating politicians than it does with a clearly articulated policy of obfuscation. “The Information Operations Roadmap” is solely intended to undermine the principle of an informed citizenry.
The Pentagon’s focus on the internet tells us a great deal about the mainstream media and its connection to the political establishment.
Why, for example, would the Pentagon see the internet as a greater threat than the mainstream media, where an estimated 75% of Americans get their news?
The reason is clear; because the MSM is already a fully-integrated part of the corporate-system providing a 24 hour per day streaming of business-friendly news. Today’s MSM operates as a de-facto franchise of the Pentagon, a reliable and sophisticated propagandist for Washington’s wars of aggression and political subterfuge.
The internet, on the other hand, is the last bastion of American democracy; a virtual world where reliable information moves instantly from person to person without passing through the corporate filter. Online visitors can get a clear picture of their governments’ depredations with a click of the mouse. This is the liberalization of the news, an open source of mind-expanding information that elevates citizen awareness of complex issues and threatens the status quo.
The Pentagon program is just one facet of a broader culture of deception; a pervasive ethos of dishonesty that envelopes all aspects of the Bush White House. The “Strategic Intelligence” Dept is a division of the Defense establishment that is entirely devoted to concealing, distorting, omitting and manipulating the truth.
In what way is “strategic intelligence” different from plain intelligence?
It is information that is shaped in a way that meets the needs of a particular group. In other words, it is not the truth at all, but a fabrication, a fiction, a lie.
Strategic intelligence is an oxymoron; a tidy bit of Orwellian doublespeak that reflects the deeply rooted cynicism of its authors.
The internet is a logical target for the Pentagon’s electronic warfare. Already the Downing Street memos, Bush’s bombing-threats against Al Jazeera, the fraudulent 2004 elections, and the leveling of Falluja, have disrupted the smooth execution of Bush’s wars. It is understandable that Rumsfeld and Co. would seek to transform this potential enemy into an ally, much as it has done with the MSM.
The Pentagon’s plans for engaging in “virtual warfare” are impressive. As BBC notes: “The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks.” (BBC)
The enemy, of course, is you, dear reader, or anyone who refuses to accept their role as a witless-cog in new world order. Seizing the internet is a prudent way of controlling every piece of information that one experiences from cradle to grave; all necessary for an orderly police-state.
The Information Operations Roadmap (IOR) recommends that psychological operations (Psyops) “should consider a range of technologies to disseminate propaganda in enemy territory: unmanned aerial vehicles, "miniaturized, scatterable public address systems", wireless devices, cellular phones and the internet.” No idea is too costly or too far-fetched that it escapes the serious consideration of the Pentagon chieftains.
The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial commentary. The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative; the fairytale of benign American intervention to promote democracy and human rights across the planet.
The IOR aspires to "provide maximum control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum" and develop the capability to "disrupt or destroy the full spectrum of globally emerging communications systems, sensors, and weapons systems dependent on the electromagnetic spectrum". (BBC)
Full spectrum dominance.
The ultimate goal of the Pentagon is to create an internet-paradigm that corresponds to the corporate mainstream model, devoid of imagination or divergent points of view. They envision an internet that is increasingly restricted by the gluttonous influence of industry and its vast “tapestry of lies”.
The internet is the modern-day marketplace of ideas, an invaluable resource for human curiosity and organized resistance. It provides a direct link between the explosive power of ideas and engaged citizen involvement. (aka; participatory democracy)
The Pentagon is laying the groundwork for privatizing the internet so the information-revolution can be transformed into an information-tyranny, extending to all areas of communications and serving the exclusive interests of a few well-heeled American plutocrats.
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September 20th, 2006, 01:23 PM
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Doomsday For The Internet As We Know It?
Paul Joseph Watson/PrisonPlanet.com | February 6 2006
Several developments that are coming to the fore indicate a noticeable advance towards a government regulated, taxed and controlled system that spells doomsday for the Internet as we know it.
The first steps in a move to charge for every e mail sent have already been taken. Under the pretext of eliminating spam, Bill Gates and other industry chieftains have proposed Internet users buy credit stamps which denote how many e mails they will be able to send. This of course is the death knell for political newsletters and mailing lists.
The New York Times reports that "America Online and Yahoo, two of the world's largest providers of e-mail accounts, are about to start using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from companies that pay from 1/4 of a cent to a penny each to have them delivered. The senders must promise to contact only people who have agreed to receive their messages, or risk being blocked entirely."
The end game is a system similar to China, whereby no websites even mildly critical of the government will be authorized.
The Pentagon admitted that they would engage in psychological warfare and cyber attacks on 'enemy' Internet websites in an attempt to shut them down. The fact that the NSA surveillance program spied on 5,000 Americans tells us that the enemy is the alternative media and that it will be targeted for elimination. Court cases are pending after the Bush administration demanded the Google search terms of American citizens.
The first wave will simply attempt to price people out of using the conventional Internet and force people over to Internet 2, a state regulated hub where permission will need to be obtained directly from an FCC or government bureau to set up a website.
The original Internet will then be turned into a mass surveillance database and marketing tool. The Nation magazine reported last week, "Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are developing strategies that would track and store information on our every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing system, the scope of which could rival the National Security Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these providers would have first priority on our computer and television screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply shut out."
We see a move to demonize the Internet and tar its reputation. AOL is running ads equating Internet users with terrorists. In the next few years we may see a staged Internet shutdown which is blamed on cyber terrorists.
For the aspiring dictator, the Internet is a dangerous tool that has been seized by the enemy. We have come a long way since 1969, when the ARPANET was created solely for US government use. The Internet is freedom's best friend and the bane of control freaks. Its eradication is one of the short term goals of those that seek to centralize power and subjugate the world under a global surveillance panopticon prison.
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September 20th, 2006, 01:35 PM
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Banned
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Waste of money.... any competent geek knows how to switch his IP address at will.
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September 20th, 2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CardFan67
Gonzales is a boob!
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Keep using words like boob and you're going to be on his most wanted list.
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September 20th, 2006, 02:15 PM
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RIP George
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Originally Posted by Ryanwb
Waste of money.... any competent geek knows how to switch his IP address at will.
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Switching your IP won't help, your ISP can still trace which subscibers owned which DHCP leases at what date/time.
I think you can browse though offshore anonyomiser servers though
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September 20th, 2006, 02:25 PM
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Don't touch my tail!
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Originally Posted by Russ Smith
Keep using words like boob and you're going to be on his most wanted list.
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Yeah it was an edit of my original thoughts I was taming it down so as not to be flagged, not that I necessarily care, mind you... And my issues with Mr. G are really not even related to this particular topic, just one of those guys that makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck when I read about him...
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September 20th, 2006, 03:14 PM
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Falafel is a gateway food
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Originally Posted by Ryanwb
Waste of money.... any competent geek knows how to Use others IP address at will.
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Fixed it for you!
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September 21st, 2006, 08:53 AM
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DEFENSE!!!!
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He has about as much chance of getting this through as I do of winning the lottery. This is only political grandstanding, pandering to your base.
I'm not familiar with how prevalent child porn is, but it can't be to the extent where this is considered necessary to control it.
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September 21st, 2006, 09:06 AM
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The Arizona Fitzharmonic.
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Originally Posted by 40yearfan
I'm not familiar with how prevalent child porn is, but it can't be to the extent where this is considered necessary to control it.
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Gonzales and company are simply bent of control...
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