Dback Jon

Openly gay (and partnered) Bishop Gene Robinson was elected an Epsicopal Bishop in three separate votes, despite a last minute smear campaign orchestrated by his opponents.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/06/bishop/index.html

Good for them - good to see a Church stand up for what is right for once!!

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Krangthebrain

Spong has worked for years to remove the inherrent bias against gays within the Episcopal Church.

I wouldn't doubt if Spong was a big part of this guy's ordination.

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NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Krangthebrain

PROFILE: BISHOP-ELECT ROBINSON

The Rev. V. Gene Robinson, 56, is the first openly gay clergyman to be elected an Episcopalian bishop. Mired in controversy, his confirmation threatens to divide the denomination and the global Anglican Communion.

• Experience: Canon to the ordinary of the Episcopal Diocese of New Hampshire since 1988; executive secretary of the Episcopal Province of New England since 1983; on the Board of Trustees of the General Theological Seminary in New York City since 2001; founding director of Sign of the Dove Retreat Center in Temple, New Hampshire.

• Education: Bachelor's degree in American studies/history, University of the South, 1969; Master's degree in divinity, General Theological Seminary, 1973.

• Family: Partner Mark Andrew; two daughters, Jamee and Ella, from first marriage.

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Brian in Mesa

You forgot (previously married with children).

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Mike Olbinski

Not that I want to get into a whole argument, but according to the church, it's not right...maybe I don't understand the Epsicopal beliefs, but if they believe in the Bible, then this is a weird decision to me...the guy is a practicing homo-sexual...that's like my church hiring a guy who openly admits that he commits adultery daily, or someone who says they steal all the time without remorse, etc.

Dont' want to get into the whole debate here, but if you believe in what the Bible says, this is a wrong decision.

Now, if it's something he had put in the past, and wasn't practicing anymore, that's totally different.

On a side note, it's interesting that the CNN poll has a 58% vote saying it was the wrong decision.

Mike

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Krangthebrain

Is it wrong? Or is that your intrepretation of the Bible?

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NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

schutd

That seems to be more indicitive of who reads CNN.com than anything else.

Strong Bad

Since you pointed it out yesterday, the Bible clearly states that homosexual behavior is wrong ... unless like in many other threads today you are denying you said that?

The Epsicopal church will be losing a lot of congregations soon.

Mike Olbinski

The Bible says it's sin...not much I can get wrong there.

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Krangthebrain

Literally, I would agree...but it depends on how you view the Bible.

If you view it as inerrant, then it is a sin

But if you view as a historical book that isn't perfect, then you could believe that it isn't a sin.

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Strong Bad

and that's a whooooooooole different thread. But, considering that all christian denominations look to the Bible as it's source for revealing who God is and right and wrong ... it is still clear that the Bible says it is sin. If it is just an historical book why is there a faith over it?

Krangthebrain

I'm trying to be more civil to you.

I've acted like an ass to you, and even though I take major offense to you calling me a hypocrite, I've decided to quit taking the low ground by insulting you.


Now for the topic. Not every Christian believes that the Bible is perfect. In fact, many do not. Some of us believe that you have to find the historic and cultural context of the Bible to understand it better.

Jewish culture was very oppressive. Women were second class citizens, children were allowed to be killed for disobedience, enemies were butchered and sold into slavery, and many other atrocities. Jews owned slaves, and it is condoned by the Bible Homosexuality was condemned as well...

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“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett

Mike Olbinski

RIght, and my point is, religions that use the Bible as a basis of belief, which I believe this church does, see it as truth.

Obviously I believe the same thing, but if I didn't, the point remains...the believe the Bible is truth, and are going against it.

Mike

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schutd

I think why I may not be a christian is that to me it would make sense that the bible should be a living breathing account of Jesus' life and God's will, but I just cant grasp how the document shouldnt be updated to more accurately reflect the times we live in.

I chose to not be confirmed into the catholic faith when I was 17, because to me, being Catholic meant accepting ALL of Catholicism's teachings, and I personally have issues with their stance on homosexuality, with their stance on women in positions of power in the church, their belife in confessions to a preist, when I always felt I could confess directly to God himself. All that.

The same holds true for Christianity. Im baffled as to why God wouldn't have published a new edition of his word to more accuratley reflect our times. Its frustrating, and ultimately what probably keeps me from being a christian. The rules and regulations seem to have no basis in how the wrold is these days.

WaywardFan

Especially since micro-publishing is so cheap nowadays!!!




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