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Old June 14th, 2004, 12:04 PM   #1
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Doubts Linger as Kerry Advances


John F. Kerry has shattered fundraising records, unified an oft-warring party and pushed past President Bush in some national polls. Yet many Democratic voters, officials and even members of Kerry's staff express an ambivalence -- or angst -- about their presidential candidate that belies this strong public standing.

These Democrats say the enthusiasm for defeating Bush runs much stronger and deeper than the passion for electing Kerry. The chief reason: The senator from Massachusetts, they say, has not crisply articulated what a Kerry presidency would stand for beyond undoing much of the Bush agenda.



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Old June 14th, 2004, 01:06 PM   #2
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I WISH I could get excited about Kerry. But, as I watch him, I just think he's going to be a dud as a president.
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Old June 14th, 2004, 01:54 PM   #3
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I WISH I could get excited about Kerry. But, as I watch him, I just think he's going to be a dud as a president.
I feel the same way, but I think (hope) that he's just pacing himself. I think that an all-out effusive euphoria would be hard to keep up for the 15 months or however long this campaign has been running. I think that once we get to the 4th of July, the Kerry campaigner will start to come out.

For what it's worth, the positive Kerry ads that've been running here have gotten me more enthusiastic about the candidate. It's not like the present Adminsitration has put forth a postive vision of what it'd like to see for America, either.
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Old June 14th, 2004, 03:16 PM   #4
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I'm way more anti Bush (actually anti Cheney/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft - Bush is just the nice front-puppet for those guys) than i am pro-Kerry. If Dubya's regime didn't suck so much, I'd do my usual fringe candidate protest vote.
I saw a great bumper sticker - "Repentant Nader Voter" - the "Un" had been sliced off...
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Old June 14th, 2004, 03:27 PM   #5
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I think that once we get to the 4th of July, the Kerry campaigner will start to come out.

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I WISH I could get excited about Kerry. But, as I watch him, I just think he's going to be a dud as a president.
I'm afraid it'll be much worse than that, everyone. I'm afraid he'll start giving away our sovereignty in unwarranted ways. The prospect of Bush as president again disappoints me. The prospect of Kerry as president scares me.
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Old June 15th, 2004, 12:12 PM   #7
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I'm afraid he'll start giving away our sovereignty in unwarranted ways.

For example.......
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Old June 15th, 2004, 12:19 PM   #8
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I'm afraid it'll be much worse than that, everyone. I'm afraid he'll start giving away our sovereignty in unwarranted ways. The prospect of Bush as president again disappoints me. The prospect of Kerry as president scares me.
I doubt that. But, I also seriously doubt he'll improve our foreign relations much either.

I think your last two sentences summarize how I feel as well. This election.....
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I'm afraid it'll be much worse than that, everyone. I'm afraid he'll start giving away our sovereignty in unwarranted ways. The prospect of Bush as president again disappoints me. The prospect of Kerry as president scares me.

Im more scared of religion than anything else. Nothing destroys a society quicker than a country run by and for religion. Thus I must vote Kerry.
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For example.......
That's what I was wondering. Does Stout think that Kerry will just hand the missile keys over to the UN upon inauguration, or something? He was a member of the military, for christ's sakes. He's not going to let the French direct our Armed Forces.

The Iraq invasion was not a display of soverignty, it was an act of petulance without reason. Just because Kerry opposes the way that the war has been executed (remember, he voted for it), doesn't mean that he's against unilateral American action when it's required.
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That's what I was wondering. Does Stout think that Kerry will just hand the missile keys over to the UN upon inauguration, or something? He was a member of the military, for christ's sakes. He's not going to let the French direct our Armed Forces.

Yea he was in the military, and from the quotes of the people he served with he was a fine example.....of what kind of solder not to be.

The comments of those swift boat veterans makes me very nervous about the prospect of Kerry being the Commander-in Chief.
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I WISH I could get excited about Kerry. But, as I watch him, I just think he's going to be a dud as a president.
Unhhh--I didn't think he was exciting enough to be a dud.
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That's what I was wondering.

Just looking for a bit of clarification, that's all.
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That's what I was wondering. Does Stout think that Kerry will just hand the missile keys over to the UN upon inauguration, or something? He was a member of the military, for christ's sakes. He's not going to let the French direct our Armed Forces.

The Iraq invasion was not a display of soverignty, it was an act of petulance without reason. Just because Kerry opposes the way that the war has been executed (remember, he voted for it), doesn't mean that he's against unilateral American action when it's required.
See SirChaz below. Also, I don't have enough time to deconstruct your grossly inaccurate comment on the Iraq war. Finally, I'm not talking about Kerry's position on the Iraq war...I'm talking about his position on the UN...which will be disasterous to the US if he is elected.
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Yea he was in the military, and from the quotes of the people he served with he was a fine example.....of what kind of solder not to be.

The comments of those swift boat veterans makes me very nervous about the prospect of Kerry being the Commander-in Chief.


Oh, God. If I hear this stupid, baseless story again, I swear I'm going to scream.

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According to the book Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley, John Kerry was a brave and capable "swift boat" commander during the Vietnam War. According to this group of swift boat veterans from the period, Kerry was one of the worst skippers who ever cast off a line. Brinkley is an eminent historian whom readers should be inclined to trust, but then, this might not be the first case of an academic seeking the love of a potential president. The swift boat veterans were there, which counts for a lot, but then, their organization is pretty Republican and run by a retired admiral who was intensely pro-war during the Vietnam years.
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