Originally Posted by cheesebeef

I gotta wonder... what was the climate supposed to be when the President breaks the law and then lies about it to the American people?

And before you call me a hypocrite or say I probably had no problem with Big Bill during the Monica stuff... wrong. I was VERY unpopular with most of my more liberal friends when I thought that lying piece of crap should have been impeached as well. If you're willing to lie through your teeth about the little stuff, god only know what else you're willing to sell to the American people.

Originally Posted by DutchmanAZ

I guess I find it frustrating when we reason because X party did or reacted to something in a poor way that it somehow justifies when party Y does it now. And the reasoning that because someone wasn't angered in the past and whose opinion now is invalid because they didn't care then (think military spending then (and now for that matter) vs healthcare now (and vise versa).

Personal attacks and downright rude behavior witnessed in the political arena are now somehow the norm and accepted. I think many of us simply blindly follow our respective party line and can recognize no or little good of those who our outside of our party.

We seem to be so distracted from the real issues by this tit for tat stuff. We ourselves don't often behave in a civil manner amongst ourselves during debating issues, and the goal of problem solving gets lost. To me, our elected officials are a direct reflection of us. The similarities between how normal people interact/debate and what's happening on the hill are striking, and in my opinion, rarely constructive.
But what do I know? I'm just normal Joe lunchbox and likely dillusional.

Originally Posted by DutchmanAZ

I guess I find it frustrating when we reason because X party did or reacted to something in a poor way that it somehow justifies when party Y does it now. And the reasoning that because someone wasn't angered in the past and whose opinion now is invalid because they didn't care then (think military spending then (and now for that matter) vs healthcare now (and vise versa).

Personal attacks and downright rude behavior witnessed in the political arena are now somehow the norm and accepted. I think many of us simply blindly follow our respective party line and can recognize no or little good of those who our outside of our party.

We seem to be so distracted from the real issues by this tit for tat stuff. We ourselves don't often behave in a civil manner amongst ourselves during debating issues, and the goal of problem solving gets lost. To me, our elected officials are a direct reflection of us. The similarities between how normal people interact/debate and what's happening on the hill are striking, and in my opinion, rarely constructive.
But what do I know? I'm just normal Joe lunchbox and likely dillusional.

Originally Posted by 40yearfan

and has progressively gotten worse.