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Old July 30th, 2004, 10:40 AM   #1
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Berger Cleared - much ado about Nothing


Clinton Adviser Berger Cleared of Document Theft

President Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger -- who'd been accused of stealing classified material from the National Archives -- has been cleared of all wrongdoing.
The National Archives and the Justice Department have concluded nothing is missing and nothing in the Clinton administration's record was withheld from the 9-11 Commission.


The Wall Street Journal reports archives staff have accounted for all classified documents Berger looked at.

Late last year they asked investigators to see if the former national security adviser removed materials during his visits.

Berger's lawyers said his client had inadvertently removed several photocopies of reports, but later returned them.
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Old July 30th, 2004, 10:57 AM   #2
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Archives Denies Report That Berger Is in the Clear

A senior spokeswoman for the National Archives denied a report Friday morning that Archives officials have cleared former Kerry-Edwards campaign adviser Sandy Berger on charges that he withheld documents from the 9/11 Commission.

"In spite of what the Wall Street Journal said, the National Archives really isn't commenting on this case because it's under investigation," Susan Cooper, chief spokeswoman for the Archives, told NewsMax.com.




I was about to say something didn't add up untill I read this.

I'm not sure what to think anymore. If Jon's post is true then someone was lying then or someone is lying now.

I find it hard to believe that Sandy Berger is "in the clear". I also find it hard to believe that he will receive anything more than a slap on the wrist.
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Old July 30th, 2004, 11:02 AM   #3
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Berger should be held accountable for actions

BY COLBERT I. KING
Colbert King is a columnist for The Washington Post.

July 29, 2004


Set aside Republican speculation that former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger was trying to hide classified information from the Sept. 11 Commission or that he had provided the material to the Kerry campaign.

Do likewise with Democratic suspicions that the FBI's investigation of Berger was leaked to distract attention from the commission's report. Those concerns, all unproved, are partisan and secondary. Keep the focus where it belongs. Did Sandy Berger violate the rules regarding the protection of classified information entrusted to him and, if he did, will he be held accountable for his actions? That's the key test for Washington.

Sandy Berger is a prominent figure among the nation's foreign-policy elite. He has friends everywhere, especially where it counts: on Capitol Hill and in the Democratic administration-in-exile holed up in D.C. think tanks and on K Street. He occupies a place of honor in high political circles and among opinion-makers in the press. And he's got clout.

Immediately following disclosure about him and the missing National Archives documents, Bill Clinton and John Kerry put in good words for their friend. And it wasn't for nothing that Berger received this sympathetic characterization in a Washington Post story: "At the same time," wrote the reporter, "(Berger) was known as someone who would constantly lose track of papers or appointments without subordinates to keep him organized and on schedule. 'For all those who know and love him, it's easy to see how this could happen,' one former Clinton colleague said." A regular Mr. Magoo, that Sandy Berger.

Well, I don't know Berger. But I do know that there are men and women in service to our nation who have paid a dear price for their mishandling of classified materials.

Should Sandy Berger, because he is connected, be given a pass for taking classified materials out of the National Archives without permission? Should distraction by the cares of the world serve as an adequate defense for the violation of security procedures? In 2000, during the Clinton administration, Ambassador Martin Indyk's security clearance was suspended for suspected violations of State Department security standards. In that same year, according to State Department spokesman Richard Boucher, the clearances of five other State employees were suspended for violations of security policies. And, in the previous two years, 27 other State workers had their security clearances suspended for other reasons.

All the alarms, closed-circuit TV cameras and mechanical devices designed to prevent surreptitious intrusions aren't worth much if someone possessing classified material is careless or flouts security procedures. Some people do that, and with serious consequences to themselves and the nation's security. How well I know.

Several years ago, when the Cold War was still quite frigid, I was a State Department special agent assigned to the U.S. Embassy in Bonn as a regional security officer. From West Berlin to Hamburg and Munich, I saw America's best and worst sides on display where compliance with security procedures was concerned.

Which gets us back to Mr. Berger.

In adjudicating his case, questions that apply to others should also apply to him.

Given that Berger walked out of the National Archives with classified material and 40 to 50 pages of notes he had taken, and that he failed to show these papers to archives officials for review before leaving, as he should have, can he be still trusted with classified material? Berger's attorney says his client's actions were "inadvertent." Inadvertence happens to be one of the conditions that can mitigate security concerns under the federal government's adjudicative guidelines when considering violations of security regulations.

Well, what caused archives officials to begin watching Berger as he worked with classified materials? Officials familiar with the case told The Post that some documents were missing after Berger's previous visit, so Archives staffers coded the papers he was interested in reading to help them detect when other papers disappeared. After one of Berger's visits, one source reported to The Post, those materials had disappeared from the files.

"Inadvertent" means not focusing the mind on the matter. Sources who tell The Post that Archives officials witnessed Berger stuffing papers in his clothing may be of the view that Berger's mind was focused wonderfully on what he was doing.

Sandy Berger denies walking off with classified stuff in his pants.

But getting to the truth is, in fact, what this is all about.

The question is, was Sandy Berger's violation due to negligence - at best - or was it deliberate - at worst? And should he be held accountable? Or is he too important and well-connected to be treated like everyone else? What's the answer, Washington?
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Old July 30th, 2004, 11:09 AM   #4
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Damn it. So freaking typical. Shout the accusations from the rooftops . Rush to judgement. Media frenzy.

And then just a little ;
Never Mind

Oh by the way Sandy , your career is on hold. Sorry about that.

If someone will help me identify the person who first uttered

" the bigger the lie, the more likely the public is to believe it "

I will give that person credit. OOPS. It was Josef Goebbels.
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Damn it. So freaking typical. Shout the accusations from the rooftops . Rush to judgement. Media frenzy.

And then just a little ;
Never Mind

Oh by the way Sandy , your career is on hold. Sorry about that.

If someone will help me identify the person who first uttered

" the bigger the lie, the more likely the public is to believe it "

I will give that person credit. OOPS. It was Josef Goebbels.


I don't understand how there can be a "never mind" untill the DOJ has completed the investigation. I don't know what media frenzy you are talking about, it has been mostly ignored.

I have yet to see a believeable "never mind". Of course you want it to go away because nobody on your side of the isle can be guilty of any wrong doing.
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Ha ha. Was this intentional or unintentional comedy?

Unintentional, my fingers seem to be missing keys today.
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