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Old May 1st, 2003, 04:24 PM   #1
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Squaw Peak Parkway


They renamed it today to Piestewa Parkway. So that's a double insult to the other Arizona soldiers who were killed in Iraq. Why couldn't they have at least given the road a different name to honor all veterans?
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Old May 1st, 2003, 05:06 PM   #2
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That sucks.

If it was a worthy name change, why not let it go through it's mandatory 5-year waiting period?

Screw the law and rename the peak NOW.

Way to go, Gov.
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Old May 1st, 2003, 05:13 PM   #3
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that she was the driver of the truck that got lost - and as a result, her truck went into hostile territory and several deaths occured.

The reason that the Congressional Medal of Honor committee takes so long is because they want to get all of the facts before honor is given. I wish more research was done into exactly what happened.
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that she was the driver of the truck that got lost - and as a result, her truck went into hostile territory and several deaths occured.

The reason that the Congressional Medal of Honor committee takes so long is because they want to get all of the facts before honor is given. I wish more research was done into exactly what happened.
Holy crap, if that is true I would be pissed. Awarding a falled soldier is one thing, but awarding stupidity that cost the lives of other soliders is another. I hope this story comes out and makes Janet look stupid.
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Old May 1st, 2003, 05:17 PM   #5
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Piestewa fought 'with all her might,' Renzi says

Wants to make sure 'truth' is told

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May. 1, 2003 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Pfc. Lori Piestewa, driving the truck carrying Pfc. Jessica Lynch and others when their unit was ambushed by Iraqis, fought "tooth and nail" alongside a sergeant to give other soldiers time to climb out, a congressman said Wednesday.

"What's in my craw is to make sure the truth about this woman's valor and courage is told," said Rick Renzi, R-Ariz. "Her last stand was fighting with all her might, defending her own people. She fought with courage and valor."

Piestewa, 23, a Hopi from Tuba City, is the first Native American woman killed in combat for the U.S. military. The single mother of two was in the 507th Maintenance Company from Fort Bliss, Texas, a rear-echelon unit of cooks, supply clerks and mechanics whose overnight trip into Iraq was to be a support mission to help troops who were fighting, but which turned deadly.

Renzi, whose 1st Congressional District includes Tuba City, said he has been briefed by "senior Pentagon officials" about some of the military's findings into events surrounding the March 23 ambush of Piestewa's unit near the southern Iraq riverfront city of Nasiriyah.

According to Renzi, the truck Piestewa was driving carried not just Lynch but also the senior-most non-commissioned officer of the convoy, a master sergeant, and others. When Iraqi soldiers began attacking, Renzi said, "It's her and the master sergeant having to fight and defend, in order for their comrades and brothers and sisters in arms to get out of the vehicle.

"She fought back with her weapon, and she was involved in one of the fiercest portions of the fight. She did not flee, nor do I know that there is any evidence of cowardice of any of the people in the ranks."

In all, nine soldiers, including Piestewa, were dead at the end of the battle. Others who eventually surrendered or were wounded or captured would become some of the war's best-known soldiers and prisoners of war.

One, Piestewa's friend and roommate Lynch, would be rescued from a hospital on April 1. Members of the convoy who survived the attack have said they still can't understand how they ventured by mistake into Nasiriyah just after dawn.

At the time, Marines were trying to seize two bridges to the east of the city to secure a crucial crossing of the Euphrates River, but had not yet cleaned out the city. Somehow, the 507th's convoy got turned around and wandered inside the unsecured city. The bulk of the city's defenses were quickly turned on them.

Pentagon officials have said they are preparing a comprehensive report about what happened. But that report has not been completed.



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WASHINGTON - Pfc. Lori Piestewa, driving the truck carrying Pfc. Jessica Lynch and others when their unit was ambushed by Iraqis, [/b]fought "tooth and nail" alongside a sergeant to give other soldiers time to climb out, a congressman said Wednesday.

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Piestewa, 23, a Hopi from Tuba City, is the first Native American woman killed in combat for the U.S. military. The single mother of two was in the 507th Maintenance Company from Fort Bliss, Texas, a rear-echelon unit of cooks, supply clerks and mechanics whose overnight trip into Iraq was to be a support mission to help troops who were fighting, but which turned deadly.

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According to Renzi, the truck Piestewa was driving carried not just Lynch but also the senior-most non-commissioned officer of the convoy, a master sergeant, and others. When Iraqi soldiers began attacking, Renzi said, "It's her and the master sergeant having to fight and defend, in order for their comrades and brothers and sisters in arms to get out of the vehicle.

"She fought back with her weapon, and she was involved in one of the fiercest portions of the fight. She did not flee, nor do I know that there is any evidence of cowardice of any of the people in the ranks."

In all, nine soldiers, including Piestewa, were dead at the end of the battle. Others who eventually surrendered or were wounded or captured would become some of the war's best-known soldiers and prisoners of war.

One, Piestewa's friend and roommate Lynch, would be rescued from a hospital on April 1. Members of the convoy who survived the attack have said they still can't understand how they ventured by mistake into Nasiriyah just after dawn.

At the time, Marines were trying to seize two bridges to the east of the city to secure a crucial crossing of the Euphrates River, but had not yet cleaned out the city. Somehow, the 507th's convoy got turned around and wandered inside the unsecured city. The bulk of the city's defenses were quickly turned on them.

Pentagon officials have said they are preparing a comprehensive report about what happened. But that report has not been completed.



all that i'm saying is that the report hasn't been completed, so why make a rush decision?
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Old May 1st, 2003, 10:31 PM   #7
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Why are you guys so against this?

I mean, what is so wrong with changing something that basically means "vagina" and is used as a negative word towards Native Americans?

Is it racism?

Is ignorance?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but what's the big deal? How does it affect you guys so much that it gets under your skins?

Piestewa is the first Native American female killed in combat, and her name will replace the name of something very ugly and racist. I was actually against it until I learned just how ugly of a word that squaw is....
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Old May 1st, 2003, 11:10 PM   #9
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Here's a good sign of how offensive squaw is:

"There are 22 summits or mountains, 16 water features and 10 other geographic points on the Arizona map that bear the name "Squaw," said Willinger. "Most of them are in Native American-owned areas of the state."

And another excellent point:

Willinger said it is appropriate to recognize Piestewa and honor her memory, "but isn't it more appropriate to honor her in the area of the state that she called home, rather than several hundred miles away?"
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Doesn't "Arizona Memorial Parkway" make a better name?

I don't want to belittle the fact of who she was, because it is honorable to honor fallen soldiers, but this is absolutely ridiculous and an insult to the hundreds of Arizonans that have died in wars past, who are basically getting ignored.
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Why are you guys so against this?

I mean, what is so wrong with changing something that basically means "vagina" and is used as a negative word towards Native Americans?

Is it racism?

Is ignorance?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but what's the big deal? How does it affect you guys so much that it gets under your skins?

Piestewa is the first Native American female killed in combat, and her name will replace the name of something very ugly and racist. I was actually against it until I learned just how ugly of a word that squaw is....
Where is the mountain named for the first black man killed? First black woman, first Asian, first....... I could go on and on

What is irking everyones chain is the fact that Napolitano pushed and bullied this through. She threatened jobs, she ignored the LAW which requires a 5 year waiting period and she ignored public opinion. She went way out of bounds on this one. The poll on Azcentral.com yesterday spoke loudly. 4000 people voted and it was 75% against renaming the parkway...but it went through anyways. Our elected officials are suppose to be the voice of the majority....what happened to that?
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Well we don't know that they broke the law to change the name. They ignored the bylaws of the naming committee and it seems clear the was some undue influance placed upon the chairman of that committee to stand aside "or else". Including phone calls placed to his boss at the Phoenix Police Department by the Governor's staff.

It was big time arm twisting, pandering, and improper procedure for the Gov's feel good story. I actually couldn't care less what they call the mountain or the highway. What I do care about is the conduct of the Governor's office to achieve it.

IMO this whole thing is tainted and now Piestewa will forever be linked with squaw. Way to go Janet.
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Why are you guys so against this?

I mean, what is so wrong with changing something that basically means "vagina" and is used as a negative word towards Native Americans?

Is it racism?

Is ignorance?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but what's the big deal? How does it affect you guys so much that it gets under your skins?

Piestewa is the first Native American female killed in combat, and her name will replace the name of something very ugly and racist. I was actually against it until I learned just how ugly of a word that squaw is....
Sorry but no definition that I have ever seen shows that Squaw mwans "vagina" or for the most part anything remotely negative!
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The Parkway was named for the Peak - so if the Peak changed, it is logical to change the name of the Parkway.

However - the suggestion for "Arizona Veterans Memorial Parkway" is a good one.


Question for the ex and current military: In a situation such as the convoy, would the driver be the navigator as well, or would another soldier be assigned to sit in the front and navigate?
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About 50 people attended the meeting, including Heather Strange, fiancee of Marine Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, also killed in Iraq. She asked the board to consider naming the route Williams Memorial Freeway, instead.

I would bet this is how families of other soldiers KIA feel. Why honor one person who didn't do anything different other than be born a certain race.

Jeffers said that he respected the sacrifice Piestewa made but that more time should pass to let emotions subside.

And he said he asked about 40 people in his district, which includes the Hopi and Navajo reservations, about the word "squaw."

"When I suggested that squaw was offensive, I was greeted with laughter," Jeffers said. "People go to ceremonies called squaw dances . . . and it's not by any means intended to be offensive."


They can't even agree what it means. Apparently they are only objecting to the White Man using "their" word.

When a new Governor gets elected, I hope he/she changes it to Goldwater Peak or something most people can agree on. He died 5 years ago this month, and no one is pushing for him to be honored.
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