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Just got back. Liked it a lot! I dont consider a top 10 movie at all. But it was VERY enjoyable and I could totally see an Oscar for Ledger whos joker was in every way the best Batman villain out of every movie they have made so far. It isnt even close.
Good hell, Shane.... Pretty soon all I'll be able to post here is, "yeah... what Shane said."
First, my complaints... (I give a little here, but really no spoilers) Too long, unneeded plot items, sound (voice) weak in a few places and blowing stuff up apparently for the sole purpose of blowing stuff up (but we had explosives left!!!). Also, I get irritated by little stuff, like when Joker is holding a cop hostage from behind, his big, white, pumpkin head is sticking way out, just waiting for a cop to pop him: Hell... I could have hit him. And of course, just how does all that explosive stuff miraculously get into the various places?
Now you might say, "C'mon UC!!!! It's a comic book movie! Whaddaya expect?" To which I must point out that this movie was so well done, so intense, that it pulls you totally in, making you think in terms of "reality movie" instead of "comic book movie."
I thought this movie was extremely well filmed and there may be an O.N. for that, as well as music, which really helps pull you in to the story. Heath's Joker should not and cannot be compared to Nicholson's.... Totally apples and oranges. Suffice it to say that if Heath doesn't get an Oscar, they should simply shut down the academy. He was incredible. A+++
The rest of the cast was good, but not great. I thought Gary Oldman was "the best of the rest." He's very convincing and believable. He's one of filmdom's most unappreciated actors, methinks
Effects were most excellent. Batman's toys were all really cool (some more believable than others). The action scenes were very well done, except one, in which everything was done so quickly it became difficult (for an old guy, anyway) to follow.
Two scores from me: An absolute 5 out of 5 stars for Heath. The movie as a whole gets 4 out of 5. A really, really good movie.... but in a year of really, really good movies. Not a top 10 movie, and probably not even a top 100 movie... but definitely one of the best this year. A real roller coaster ride!!!
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Good hell, Shane.... Pretty soon all I'll be able to post here is, "yeah... what Shane said."
First, my complaints... (I give a little here, but really no spoilers) Too long, unneeded plot items, sound (voice) weak in a few places and blowing stuff up apparently for the sole purpose of blowing stuff up (but we had explosives left!!!). Also, I get irritated by little stuff, like when Joker is holding a cop hostage from behind, his big, white, pumpkin head is sticking way out, just waiting for a cop to pop him: Hell... I could have hit him. And of course, just how does all that explosive stuff miraculously get into the various places?
Now you might say, "C'mon UC!!!! It's a comic book movie! Whaddaya expect?" To which I must point out that this movie was so well done, so intense, that it pulls you totally in, making you think in terms of "reality movie" instead of "comic book movie."
I thought this movie was extremely well filmed and there may be an O.N. for that, as well as music, which really helps pull you in to the story. Heath's Joker should not and cannot be compared to Nicholson's.... Totally apples and oranges. Suffice it to say that if Heath doesn't get an Oscar, they should simply shut down the academy. He was incredible. A+++
The rest of the cast was good, but not great. I thought Gary Oldman was "the best of the rest." He's very convincing and believable. He's one of filmdom's most unappreciated actors, methinks
Effects were most excellent. Batman's toys were all really cool (some more believable than others). The action scenes were very well done, except one, in which everything was done so quickly it became difficult (for an old guy, anyway) to follow.
Two scores from me: An absolute 5 out of 5 stars for Heath. The movie as a whole gets 4 out of 5. A really, really good movie.... but in a year of really, really good movies. Not a top 10 movie, and probably not even a top 100 movie... but definitely one of the best this year. A real roller coaster ride!!!
Completely agree. Go figure.
My other compliant is the extreme level Bale takes in making his voice sound raspy while playing batman. Its so damn raspy its almost hard to understand what the hell he is saying at times. Way overboard with it.
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Method acting for certain people has a frightening way of unwinding the mind and causing fragmentation. Someone like Paul Newman or Dustin Hoffman, their minds aren't affected. Perhaps they knew where to draw boundaries. Then you see someone like Marlon Brando and you realize method acting can cause mental and emotional damage every bit as traumatic as prison torture. I can only guess like everyone else, but I suspect Heath Ledger lost track of boundaries and lost himself quite a bit. Our perceptions of our self can only be sustained if we reinforce that perception everyday. The longer you go without it, the more it's easy to end up in a personality crisis.
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Marlon Brando, James Dean, Robert Downey Jr. were seriously damaged men before they got into acting; they were druggies, alcoholics, and high risk-takers to begin with. Like most stars, they went through an enormous amount of rejection and then sudden adulation. It was very likely the many pressures of fame and fortune that tore them apart.
Marilyn Monroe -- Acting, or the parts she played, had nothing to do with her gradual dissolution. Booze and drugs and a damaged personality did. Or Bob Dylan. Kurt Cobain. Belushi.
...and Paul Newman is the farthest thing from a method actor.
Heath Ledger wasn't a true method actor, anyhow, because according to the cast, director, producer, etc. he was his normal funny self as soon as he was out of makeup. I heard interviews today about this very subject with the Director and Producer and they said he was excited about the role, and excited about the quality of work he was doing.
Acting is WORK, as well as art. It is really hard physical and mental work to play different types of roles well, as much or more than it is an emotional strain. Then there's the simple reality of shooting a big picture on deadline -- Schedules for the leads can often run from 4 AM makeup call to midnight, sometimes stuck off on location with a hundred other prima donas for months.
Martin Sheen had a heart attack making Apocalypse Now -- not Marlon Brando -- and it was purely from physical stress and exhaustion. Peter O'Toole had a very hard time recovering from Lawrence of Arabia -- because the shooting and location schedules and the sheer demands of carrying the movie nearly killed him -- not because he had to act like he was raped and tortured by Bedouins.
To blame this role for having anything to do with his death is nonsense. He'd already moved on to other roles -- why don't you blame those parts? He didn't turn homosexual or fall apart after Brokeback Mountain, which he said was an incredibly tough and challenging role for him emotionally and artistically.
He was in very heavy demand, doing one tough role after another with not much of a break, so no surprise he was stressed out, tired, and popping pills like a careless damn fool. Nevertheless, people who'd seen him in the week or two before his death said he was hugely enjoying being Daddy to his little girl.
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I'll say it. Heath's projection of the Joker was better than Jacks. It was the best villian of all time. Better than Darth Vader even.
I'm still awed by this film days later, and I'm off to preorder the Bluray release now.
Well, as they were completely different characters, I'll say you're wrong
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Well, as they were completely different characters, I'll say you're wrong
How about the same character portrayed in different ways? It's hard to compare them, but I don't need to. That was the best villain performance of all time. You can compare it against any other if you like. Heath's performance still stands up.
Ehhh.... Some great villans out there. I will just stand with.... His was up there with the greatest.
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How about the same character portrayed in different ways? It's hard to compare them, but I don't need to. That was the best villain performance of all time. You can compare it against any other if you like. Heath's performance still stands up.
Not to be contrarian, but I'm with Stout on this one.
I'm not taking anything away from Heath Ledger's performance, but give it a year then draw a conclusion.
I don't know how anyone can say you can't compare Nicholson's and Ledger's performance. It's the same character interpreted differently. They took the same lump of clay--the Clown Prince of Crime--and did what they did with it. Yes, they did vastly different things, but it's the same character. If you can't compare those performances, what can you compare?
...And, Ledger was better than Nicholson. Far better, IMO.
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Marlon Brando, James Dean, Robert Downey Jr. were seriously damaged men before they got into acting; they were druggies, alcoholics, and high risk-takers to begin with. Like most stars, they went through an enormous amount of rejection and then sudden adulation. It was very likely the many pressures of fame and fortune that tore them apart.
Marilyn Monroe -- Acting, or the parts she played, had nothing to do with her gradual dissolution. Booze and drugs and a damaged personality did. Or Bob Dylan. Kurt Cobain. Belushi.
...and Paul Newman is the farthest thing from a method actor.
Heath Ledger wasn't a true method actor, anyhow, because according to the cast, director, producer, etc. he was his normal funny self as soon as he was out of makeup. I heard interviews today about this very subject with the Director and Producer and they said he was excited about the role, and excited about the quality of work he was doing.
Acting is WORK, as well as art. It is really hard physical and mental work to play different types of roles well, as much or more than it is an emotional strain. Then there's the simple reality of shooting a big picture on deadline -- Schedules for the leads can often run from 4 AM makeup call to midnight, sometimes stuck off on location with a hundred other prima donas for months.
Martin Sheen had a heart attack making Apocalypse Now -- not Marlon Brando -- and it was purely from physical stress and exhaustion. Peter O'Toole had a very hard time recovering from Lawrence of Arabia -- because the shooting and location schedules and the sheer demands of carrying the movie nearly killed him -- not because he had to act like he was raped and tortured by Bedouins.
To blame this role for having anything to do with his death is nonsense. He'd already moved on to other roles -- why don't you blame those parts? He didn't turn homosexual or fall apart after Brokeback Mountain, which he said was an incredibly tough and challenging role for him emotionally and artistically.
He was in very heavy demand, doing one tough role after another with not much of a break, so no surprise he was stressed out, tired, and popping pills like a careless damn fool. Nevertheless, people who'd seen him in the week or two before his death said he was hugely enjoying being Daddy to his little girl.
When Christian Bale ends up in the nut house from the constant weight change (The Machinist, this role) and alienation to get into roles, I'd love to revisit this with you. He's either going to starve his brain or cause his heart to suddenly stop.
The DK production notes say Ledger spent a month in a hotel room by himself before the shoot preparing for the role of Joker. All he did was get into character, keeping a diary as The Joker, reenacting scenes from A Clockwork Orange and using Sid Vicious as a model. He was sleeping only a couple of hours each night.
I'm suggesting the "good ol' Heath" they saw on the set was when Ledger was doing his best acting, not the guy in the crazy face paint while the camera was running.
When Christian Bale ends up in the nut house from the constant weight change (The Machinist, this role) and alienation to get into roles, I'd love to revisit this with you. He's either going to starve his brain or cause his heart to suddenly stop.
Yeah, I saw it on Saturday. The movie for me was about an 8.5/10. Not really amazing, but still good and entertaining. Heath Ledger was just unbelievable. So freaking good as the Joker. Honestly, one of the best acting performances I've ever seen.
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