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Originally posted by nidan This was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Not quite the worst Lost in Space, AI and Highlander 2 live in that land.
But this came close.
I never knew Skorp had this part of the board
Honestly, I think people are going overboard when they say it's the worst, when it's really only part 1 of the story.
Of any sequel ever made, this truly is one of those movies where you can't judge the first one until you've seen the second...because they are THAT connected.
I like most other people loved the first movie, it had great action, great special effects and a great story.
All this has is some great effects, story is non existant and I get bored watching endless scenes of "Matrix Kung Fu".
As for the connection of movies, the only approriate response at the end I could think of was a 1 finger salute.
And yes I can judge it. The few, very few bits of story needed to carry forward could have been taken care of in the first 10 mins (at most) of the next movie.
It was bad, plain bad. The only thing I can think of is that they had enough material for 2.2 movies . So they created this one in the middle to stretch it out until the 3rd one comes out, which I understand will be in Nov this year.
I was awful, bad pointless and boring not quite as boring as AI but boring. Unfortunatly for AI I sitting next to a close friend of Spielburg so it wasn't appropriate to walk out.
This was not that bad and not that long but it was bad, real bad
Originally posted by nidan Mike have you seen it ?
Obviously this must be rhetorical, cause I posted my review as like the 3rd post in this thread...
I'm not saying it's awful, I'm just this is basically a 5 hour movie. If you watched the 10 Commandments for only 2 hours, and it said "to be concluded"...I think you'd feel the same way about the story.
Not saying this is the 10 Commandments or anything, just trying to point out that 2 and 3 are more like one big movie.
I understood you completely. I also understand your point that this is part of total movie. I still paid for it and I expect to see a movie.
This was just bad, maybe the next one will be good but this was not.
My point was that there was about only 30 mins of worthwhile moive in this debarcle. At a push that could have been added to the next movie and probably only needed 10-15 anyway.
We had a 15+ car chase with two neat dudes who we have no idea what there are doing.
The Matrix Kung Fu" was much weaker in this, either they did not practice as much prior to the movie or spent less time doing multiple takes.
Did you notice the bad CGI animation of Neo in the scene with Smiths. His face was a pretty low res rendering.
We had the long version of the tribal rave party, I'll leave out some the demographic comments I've since seen in other reviews to prevent accusation of not being PC. Oh why not, didn't the ethnic balence of the dance party seem a little off to you? Let's not talk about how long it went on.
I checked my watch early in the movie (not a good sign at all), after 30 min nothing of significance had happened and I think it was another 10-15 before something did.
About the flashbacks and how the movie was released a few months late. Brighteyes (who is working on several movie projects as a producer) tells me that cuts like those are sometimes made in post production to try and "save" a movie that bombed with focus groups.
Well shoot, I want to make the text the same color as the background to avoid ruining it for anyone.
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I saw the movie last night as well and truth be told, I was a little underwhelmed. I think I was a victim of the hype as I truly expected another groundbreaking film in the same vein as the first but it just didn't have the same effect. That's not to say that it's not a good film in it's own right, because it is, but it was missing something.
I think many factors contributed to this; 1, the movie did not feel like it had a standard plot (IE Introduction, build up, climax, brief resolution) 2, the pacing was a little bit off (it was either full blazing action or slowed down discussion about free will vs determination) and lastly 3, the main plot revealing scenes were very difficult to follow.
I wanted to address these points individually in further detail but unfortunately I don't have the time right now, but i'll chime in tomorrow morning.
Originally posted by Suns_fan69 I saw the movie last night as well and truth be told, I was a little underwhelmed. I think I was a victim of the hype as I truly expected another groundbreaking film in the same vein as the first but it just didn't have the same effect. That's not to say that it's not a good film in it's own right, because it is, but it was missing something.
I think many factors contributed to this; 1, the movie did not feel like it had a standard plot (IE Introduction, build up, climax, brief resolution) 2, the pacing was a little bit off (it was either full blazing action or slowed down discussion about free will vs determination) and lastly 3, the main plot revealing scenes were very difficult to follow.
I wanted to address these points individually in further detail but unfortunately I don't have the time right now, but i'll chime in tomorrow morning.
I like your points...you are right, it was missed introductions, build up, climax, etc....that is exactly it...we just jumped right in, and were going, and it felt weird.
I really think they should have deleted the whole rave scene though, that was the worst.
Things I loved:
Monica Bellucci's character Persephone was really cool. She has to be one of the five sexiest women on earth. I loved the reference to mythology in both her character, and the werewolf bodyguards.
The guy that was her husband (I forget his name) was probably the coolest villian I have seen in a long time.
The suprise ending. I never, ever would have guessed that.
Morpheus became more interesting.
The freeway chase scene was probably the greatest chase scene in the history of action flicks.
The backdoors to the Matrix was neat.
Things I hated:
The rave scene. It was boring. It wasn't very sensual. I understand the purpose of it, I just didn't like the execution.
The fight between Neo and the Guardian of the Oracle seemed forced. It went on a bit too long and I thought the guy was a bit too competent against "The One"
Agent Smith's ability to replicate not explained enough.
Where was Tank??? I really liked him in the first movie.
The movie dragged a bit more than any top action/sci-fi should
All in all I would say it was a B+ movie. It certainly could have been streamlined a bit. I will see it again for sure and I look forward to the conclusion.
That's the point, it left us all wanting more or in this case less.
Yes the chase seen was neat as were the dreadlock guys but 15+ mins get real after a while it gets repetative.
Agents Smith like many other things in this wern't explained at at. In a Sci Fi story (at least a good one) you don't just make stuff up, it has to be consistent with the story. The didn't explain Smith's ability or even what he was doing. While we are talking about Smith, why didn't Neo just pull the Superman bit at the start of the fight. Did you notice the low res CGI Neo doing the arial soinning.
Backdoors were neat, agreed.
The guy could have been maybe wu ll become a neat villan. In this movie all he did was get his guys trashed by Neo in yet another never ending 'Matrix Kung Fu" scene.
Rave scene was pointless and long.
I was already disapointed by this movie but as I've said all I could do was give the "finger" to the credits to express by anoyance with the ending. I mean who is that guy, what is he doing.
I can deal with something not fully explaing until M3 but this had a raft of things, many of which I suspect are not in the next movie but were just put in this for want of a better idea.
I mean what was the melodrame with Link's wife all about, why waste screen time with that it doesn't add to the story.
I pretty much agree with most of it, and it's an interesting theory that the Oracle isn't really even good, she's just part of the path that leads Neo to the Architect, then the Source, which reboots the Matrix...
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