You're the Cards GM

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  1. Buckybird

    Buckybird Hoist the Lombardi Trophy

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    Yep!

    You can’t be right if you’re afraid to be wrong!!! :lol:

    The Cards have been conservative wayyyyy too long in trying to pursue a longtime franchise QB. It’s time!!!
     
  2. WisconsinCard

    WisconsinCard Herfin BIg Time Contributor

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    I can't disagree with anything you said, but you also cant cut off your nose to spite your face. It cost more to cut Gresh than it does to keep him. HB may not be able to cover like he used to, but he can still play. If he was making 10 mil nobody would question his ability IMO. Nkemdiche is fine not a bad cap hit there.
     
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    When I posted this thread title, I was curious to see if there was any kind of consensus among the GM wannabe's in the Card fan base.

    A quick glance over the GM moves indicates that there is pretty much zero agreement . . . on anything. At best, we get two-or-three good with a backup QB, etc.

    Let the debates continue. As many who are going to be happy with SK, there will be many more who think he is a doofus.
     
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  4. TJ

    TJ The Chosen One

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  5. Solar7

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    Well, I have more faith that Cousins is going to be successful than I do any QB in this draft (I know some will be good, but I feel that plenty will greatly disappoint, and I don't want us to be the ones that nab the Wendell Bryant of the group), but I'm less screaming for him than I'm saying that we backed ourselves into a corner and now have to at least try that route.

    I think without Cousins, we're doomed to 2-3 years of bad football, but we can stem the bleeding by holding on to our picks and being patient with a bridge quarterback and rookie drafted somewhere outside of the top 10.
     
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    I don't think he is a doofus. I think he had a two year plan and he got screwed when BA and Carson retired. Now he has to pick up the pieces.
     
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    I.Would.Sign.A.FullBack.Instead.Of.A.QB
     
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    You lost me at 1.
     
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    I understand what you are saying, Solar. Selling the farm is obviously a very drastic and risky move, and there is basically only one team in the league, in my opinion, that must and can rely almost entirely on their quarterback for the team to get success, and even they have by far the best tight end in the league as well as some good wide receivers. Every other team needs to surround their quarterback with much talent, and obviously you need draft picks to do that.

    My argument for signing Kirk Cousins or give up a lot to move up in the first round and take one of the big three (I am not including Josh Allen) is that the quarterback is essential in competing for a Super Bowl. I have previously argued how the Eagles, the Vikings and the Jaguars were very close without a stud quarterback, but even they got at least above average play from their quarterbacks in the last couple of their games. I don’t believe you can win with bad quarterback play.

    The Cardinals need to get their quarterback of the future, in my opinion. They have waited far too long. You could even argue that neither Kurt Warner or Carson Palmer could be considered starters for the long run when they were acquired. That was the point with acquiring Matt Leinart and Kevin Kolb but that’s a long time ago. Because of that, I would offer a very big contract to Cousins or trade maybe even three first round picks to move into the top three or five. I wouldn’t really consider that as selling the farm, by the way, so basically I agree with you other than the part about staying patient.

    To me, however they decide to move on regarding a quarterback, they must make that decision before deciding on anything else because it dictates what else they can and should do. If they go after a veteran, then it affects what else they can do in free agency as well as the draft. If they go with a rookie, then that affect how they can sign two or three high-prized free agents as well as how they approach the draft.
     
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    Did you see the Packers without Rodgers? From Super Bowl contenders to toilet bowl contenders
     
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    see, I think with Cousins were doomed to an even worse fate of a couple bad years of football. I think he puts us in NFL Purgatory, where we will continue to win 7-9 games, never be a contender and never be bad enough to get that truly great QB the franchise has longed for forever.

    I'm with you though on the notion that we backed ourselves into a crappy corner. I just think Cousins keeps us there for the long term. All that said, if we do trade the farm and it ends up being for Allen, I will freak the frak out.
     
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  13. Solar7

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    Two thoughts here, and I appreciate your take on the situation. But...

    1. How can you not think giving up three first round picks is not "selling the farm?" Even the top quarterbacks need a team around them to succeed. Rookies very often struggle. Not only are we putting our top pick in a situation where all of the pressure is on him to win, but if he does struggle, as many do, this team could end up in the top ten. That's where you get blue chip players that change the face of your franchise. (Fitz, PP21, could have had Adrian Peterson.) Then we're losing top ten picks, or second round picks that are where we can get players like Budda Baker.

    2. History dictates that trading up for a QB is not successful at all. You're basically making this move and saying "I know better than everyone else," including the teams you're trying to trade with that are desperate for decent QB play.
     
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    I definitely respect the worry about pay. It's just as valid as the worries about trading up. I'm concerned about it too - but also mindful that we've got a lot of cap space coming up.

    At the end of the day it just comes down to me thinking Cousins is a very good QB that was stuck behind a poor surrounding cast.
     
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    one really needs to look at future flexibility when it comes to the QB decision. Trading picks or using cap space?? Which is the best option for the team long term?

    say we trade away the 2019 and 2020 first round picks..... if the rook suxx, then those picks will be top ten and that suxx for us but is awesome for whoever we traded with.
    On the other hand if the rook is rockin it those picks may be in the 20's instead...so it suxx less for us and rocks less for our trade partner...so obviously we want to get the pick right.
    But by trading picks, we have lots of cap space to fill in holes.... need a corner? Sign a corner that has proven they can start in the NFL... need a guard? Sign a guard that has proven they can play in the nfl...
    But the draft is iffy.... this year Quentin Nelson is the only sure fire starter at guard and unless 6 QB's go in the top 10 picks Nelson wont be on the board at 15....so we cant draft a starting guard...
    there are usually a couple of good corners in the draft...some years a sure fire starter can be had at 20,..other years he cant be found outside the top 10..... but there are over 30 FA corners this year,...all of whom have proven they can play in the NFL....pro bowlers?? No...but its not likely a corner selected around 20 in the draft is going to be a pro bowler either.

    draft picks give a team a chance to infuse youth and talent on their team... but they all need to develop and many will not start their first year...so as much as we would like it otherwise drafting is generally a roster building exercise to ensure your team stays a bit more competitive in the future... but it cant really be used effectively to plug holes for now.

    Free agency allows a team to plug holes now... but you need cap space to be a player in free agency... having an extra $30mil in cap space allows your team to sign a pro bowl caliber guard, WR, and a starting corner...

    with the position this team is in right now we cant afford to build our entire offense through the draft... the defense is ready to go... but we need QB, WR , OC, OG, and OT

    if we sign a 30mil QB, we cannot draft to fill all the other positions this year...we can maybe get two...and whoever we do draft needs time to develop,..all the start ready guys will go in the top 15 (except for WR and C)........not to mention other holes will come open over the next couple of years...

    Drafting a QB the guy may take time to develop...true...

    but Deshaun Watson was on pace for 4300 yds and 42 TD's, hell...he threw for 420 yds and 4 TD's against the seahags defense

    rookie QB's can be productive..we have seen it often in the recent years... but in order for them to be successful you need the cap space to build the team around them.


    or,...I guess we could go the billichek route and call other GM's offering them picks for players
     
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