Tyrann Mathieu: "No way I'm taking a pay cut."

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  1. Mitch

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    Per MJ. Honey Badger thinks there will be a high market for him if the Cardinals release him.

    If BA remains the HC, BA will most likely want the Cardinals to honor HB's contract, because of the bond BA has with the Honey Badger. If the Cardinals pay him the $5M roster bonus in March, HB will count $14.1M on the cap for the next 3 years (2018, 2019, 2020) and $9.5M in 2021. That's a grand total of $51.8M for 4 years.

    If the Cardinals do not elect to pay HB his bonus, the dead money on the cap is $9.2M. The Cardinals have paid HB $21.7M in cash the past two years (while only counting $4.4M + $8.1M = $12.5M combined on the cap for the past 2 years...and neither year, because of injuries and tentative play has been a good year (by relative standards) for HB on the field.

    The problem is...he's starting at FS...but he's not a true centerfielder. FS is not his natural position. His forte has been as a nickel CB, but he has been struggling more than in the past in that role the past two seasons. He's still a pesky blitzer off the edge, but has lost some of the explosion he displayed a few years ago which allowed him to be consistently disruptive.

    Mathieu continues to insist that when healthy he's the best defensive player in the NFL.

    Is he correct in assuming there will be a high market for him elsewhere?

    Any team that offers him a high end salary will be taking a risk. His play on film the past two years would suggest that he is not nearly the player he was back in 2015 before his 2nd ACL injury.

    This scenario seems like a no-brainer for the Cardinals. If HB refuses to take a pay cut, then he wants out of Arizona. he has to be delusional to think at his current level of play he's worthy of $14.1M a year.

    When Honey Badger was at his best in 2015, he was worth the money, and boy oh boy was he exciting to watch Will he ever return to form and be the real Honey Badger again? I think there is a slight chance, but not with the current coaching staff. Not with BA as HC and James Bettcher as DC. if HB winds up with a HC and DC who create a tougher culture and higher standards on the defensive side of the ball---like in Seattle or Los Angeles, he could be rejuvenated. But the thought of him playing well for one of our NFC West foes is agonizing.

    What do you think the Cardinals should do?

    This one is tough to decide, isn't it?
     
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    I don't think Honey Badger's play has anything to do with the coaching. IMO he never has come back to where he was from his two major knee injuries. I feel that if he doesn't take a pay cut he should be released. He is no longer an impact player.
     
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    I wish he would take the pay cut.
     
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    Here's why I believe it does:

    1. The coaches are playing HB out of position when they play him at FS.
    2. When Patrick Peterson can get paid top money and be excused for playing soft, why can't the Badger? This is a regrettable part of the culture on defense now in Arizona. Except, thank goodness, no one has sent that message to Budda Baker and Antoine Bethea who have been saving PP's and HB's butts.
    3. Honey Badger has never had a great speed, but he is a pro's pro at playing with leverage, uncanny anticipation and quick closing bursts. This year, because of his expanded role and how exposed he is in space as a FS it has affected his overall confidence.
     
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    I think that a new HC and DC who offer a refreshing change in leadership and direction could persuade HB (and others) to compromise for the sake of the team.
     
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    I don’t care if he stays or walks. He may be out of position but his injuries make him expendable. Basically we need a new team.
     
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    Can always re-structure to make it more cap friendly rather than forcing a pay cut. He's not worth 14mil/year at all.
     
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    Continues? You make it sound like he's going around bragging that he's the best D guy in the NFL & that's not the case. He was being interviewed & stated that when he's on the field he feels like he's the best defensive player in the NFL. I want my D guys to have that confidence. Would you rather he stated ''when I'm on the field I feel like I'm the most average D player in the NFL''? Come on Mitch.
     
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    i dont

    the same swag that has made him so effective on the field is the same thing that wont let him accept a pay cut -- even if the reduced pay is higher than he could get in the market

    you see this over and over in the NFL: for some players, its far easier on the ego to accept lower money elsehwere than the same lower money from your current team
     
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    I will add this: in the event he rejects re-working the deal to be more in line with his play:

    its proof no good deed goes unpunished. Keim gave him that deal while he was in the middle of re-habbing a second ACL injury. i would think HB would have a modicum of appreciation for that
     
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    Now Baker and Bethea are saving Peterson? Hawt take.
     
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    HB no longer flashes on the field. I might see one play a game where I'm like "nice play HB", other then that he's been fairly mediocre the past 2 seasons.
     
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    Why would he take a pay cut when he knows his playing days may be limited with the major injuries he’s sustained? He’s not dumb.
     
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    I just posted a crazy thread and suggested we should trade him....saints
     
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    Precisely.

    He's received $21m + and doesn't have to bend.

    If push comes to shove, he'll take an incentive-laden deal somewhere else and the Cards will be left with a major CAP hit.

    Prediction: team goes forward with the Badger and deals with his contract, if necessary, after the 2018 season.
     
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