Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology

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  1. Covert Rain

    Covert Rain Father smelt of elderberries!

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    I have met several people from the Church (outside of Church) and never had any issues with any of them. I have met some really really nice people from the Church. Having said that A good friend of mine went through a horrid experience in Scientology with his family.

    They were encouraged to burn bridges with "suppressive" people...even their own family. The Church interjected in their business. The higher they moved up in the Church the more money they spent to "honor" their faith. They were "punished" for questioning any doctrine of the Church. Not to mention some of the bizarre stories he shared with me in terms of "practices". They were told they could never say anything negative about the Church to outsiders or they would face consequences.

    After leaving the church for various reasons they nearly lost their business and had to move. The Church made their lives a living hell for them even after they left and harassed a couple family members that stayed in the church after they left. Which in turn made them leave the Church as well.

    It appears to me knowing and meeting people in the Church is one thing but existing in the religion is another. Just like anything, I am sure not every experience is the same but when you hear stories first hand from people you know that is something entirely different. I asked him if he ever would have shared any of this with me while in the Church. His response? Not a chance.

    I also ran across this site not too long ago that is for people who have left the Church and the stories that are there are very telling.
     
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  2. Chaplin

    Chaplin Better off silent

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    No, the reason the church doesn't respond is because that they HAVE responded in the past, but it makes no difference--they aren't going to be believed now anyway, so they don't respond. All the people I know do the same thing--what's the point? Ignorance won't be cured by the information they give because most people already have made up their mind well ahead of time.
     
  3. Chaplin

    Chaplin Better off silent

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    I have family and friends that are Scientologists. A lot of friends, actually. They don't preach, they don't try to convince me to join, they smoke, they drink, they are normal everyday people.

    And every religion has its darkness. Scientology has NOTHING on Christianity.
     
  4. Rivercard

    Rivercard Too much good stuff

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    You might be right that they would not be believed because in the past church officials like Tommy Davis (no longer with the church) have denied in interviews the existence of certain policies such as forced family disconnections and Fair Game tactics among other things. The church hasn't officially commented on those issues in years which is probably smart because quite frankly they are indefensible if not criminal in some cases, but members in and out of the church have acknowledged those policies are indeed employed as mentioned in Covert Rain's recent post (unless of course you are willing to dismiss all those people as lying bitter has-been SP's who just happen to all have the same experiences).
     
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  5. Rivercard

    Rivercard Too much good stuff

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    No doubt. There are good people everywhere. Do you know any ex-scientologists?
     
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    Christianity doesn't have a leader whose wife has been missing for YEARS. A missing woman, who is married to the head of a religion, who could be dead...or scrubbing toilets with a toothbrush...or subjected to who-knows-what... is about as dark as it gets.
     
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    Covert Rain Father smelt of elderberries!

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    I think that is key. The person I mentioned above and his entire family are amazing people. They have returned to a traditional church. These are the type of people who volunteer every Christmas at Children's hospitals, donate to charity and do fund raisers. They just are some of the nicest and best human beings I have ever met.

    When someone like them tells you the things they experienced in the Church...I have zero reason not believe them. There is zero motivation for them to lie. They don't go around bagging on Scientology. They have not given interviews nor are they trying to sell any books.
     
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    slamming Rimini is straight out of the Scientology playbook. Call her a drug-addict, unstable, a has-been... do everything to discredit the person, but don't try and discredit what she's said. Gotta wonder why that happens so consistently when people leave Scientology.
     
  9. Rivercard

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    The story out there is that Shelly had re-arranged furniture and some rooms at one of the church's compounds without her husband's approval which apparently angered him mightily. Shortly after that she went missing and has not been seen since. The church apparently wants us to believe that she is "willingly" existing hermit-like doing church business at one of the compounds, communicating with nobody. But since there is no official information available who knows what to believe?
     
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    Nope, but I know some ex-other religions. And it's a fill-in-the-blank thing--all religions have their problems. I won't deny that Scientology has some questions, but the generalizations we frequently see in the media are just not true.
     
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    Do you know here? Because I know a few (not many, but a few) that do.
     
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    Chaplin Better off silent

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    But it's ok to jump to conclusions. Right.

    I'm done talking about this--you are all going to believe what you believe and nothing I say will convince you otherwise. I only ask to keep an open mind, but with some people that's a tall order. (Not directed specifically towards you, RC, but certainly some others that have posted in this thread)
     
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    So the folks you know tell you that Remini is "unstable" and that this book is a self serving lie? If so, basically what they are saying to you is that Scientology is a failure if a life long member who has donated millions of dollars to their cause is so flawed in the basic principals they teach. Scientologists don't seem to realize that all the negativity they project onto ex-members does their cause an extreme disservice.
     
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    So you don't have one shred of doubt that this book by an out-of-work actress with little to no career anymore is true and genuine? That's actually quite a stretch in and of itself. That book is ABSOLUTELY self-serving. I'm sure she doesn't like the church and the church doesn't like her, but being excommunicated is actually common in many religions. Being bitter about it is also a factor--wouldn't you concede that possibility?

    The book is just another unsubstantiated account that people just eat up. And because it fits the anti-Scientology narrative that people are buying without evidence, it's automatically believable and the truth. Same exact thing happened with the HBO documentary that came out last year. I have actually asked people why they don't respond and their answer is exactly what I said above--it won't make a difference, so why bother?

    It's no secret the media HATES Scientology, which traces back to the psychiatric lobby, so you are going to find very little response to all this backlash. And the response you do find is immediately dismissed. Why? Because minds are already made up. People kidnapped and put in basements for years? Having people killed? Come on.

    Look at Tom Cruise. People say he's Looney Tunes because of Scientology. Why? What evidence do people have that Tom Cruise is crazy? Jumping on a couch? What else? And by evidence, I mean actual evidence, not conjecture or he said, she said.

    Interesting that you say that. The very fact of that sentence is reason to doubt some of the negativity that has come out. Why would they continue these practices if they were actually happening? They are destroyed in the press, and simply ignore it. Just like the world ignores the good work they do around the world, and there is a lot of it.

    Now, to let you know, I despise religion in all forms. I think it's all just mumbo jumbo in many respects, but there is also something in having a moral and ethical code of conduct, and in my 5 years being around this particular religion, that is exactly what it is. Strange and weird, sure, but most religions are. Think about what it must have been like when Christianity first appeared. Scientology is only a few decades old, after all. And most people fear or disdain new things.
     
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  15. Rivercard

    Rivercard Too much good stuff

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    Oh you could definitely convince me otherwise. Like you say, there is often only 1 side of the story told, but IMHO that is the church's fault because of their policy of silence combined with personal attacks in response to serious allegations. That is easily interpreted as guilt. What are folks supposed to think?
     

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