Suns @ Clippers game thread 12-20-17

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  1. Mainstreet

    Mainstreet Registered User Contributor

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    It's ironic what Triano had to say before the game.
     
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    Actually I thought the Suns fought hard, for the most part. They couldn't make a shot, and they ended up getting demoralized for that reason. They tied in the rebounding battle and had only ten turnovers to the Clippers' nine.

    The PG trio of Ulis, Canaan, and James shot a combined 5-25, including 1-12 from three-point range. They did, as a group, manage ten assists against only three turnovers, but that level of offensive inefficiency is going to be very difficult to overcome, even if you get solid effort elsewhere.

    Basically the Suns need one of their three PGs to have an abnormally good game. If all three whiff, they can't compete.
     
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    The Suns did not come into the game focused as I see it. I did think Josh Jackson came out ready to play. However, the Suns were not able to recover from another miserable start by Tyler Ulis. This time the bench was not able to rescue the Suns.

    As you point out, the Suns needed one of their PGs to play well. Perhaps this would have helped the Suns get better rhythm on their shooting. It's just sad to see the Suns play so poorly against a depleted Clippers team that annihilated them in Phoenix.
     
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    Our starting lineup is simply a joke and blame McDonough for that.

    I said over and over that this teams biggest need was shooting and we did not address this at all.

    Our current starting lineup has zero shooting, they have an abyssmal offensive rating of barely 60.

    Marquese Chriss despite his struggles is the best 3pt shooter in our starting lineup.

    You simply can't have so many guys on a roster that can't even shoot 30% from 3, you can't. It is unreal that McDonough has completely failed to adress this. Maybe it is a tanking strategy but hardly a good one because this team will never be good if they can't be a good 3pt shooting team.
     
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    Even with Olynyk scoring 32 points and shooting 12-15 from the field it's hard to believe the Celtics lost at home to the Heat.

    I guess they celebrated Olynyk's return a bit too much.
     
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    Booker would help the starting unit but I agree the Suns lack enough 3 point shooting. It all begins with Ulis starting at PG.

    I have read that Triano wants to find out who can play for next season. Let's hope this is part of it.
     
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    Here are some stats from Scott Bordow on the Suns 3 point shooting. Ouch.

    The Suns are 29th in the league on 3 point shooting.

     
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    Booker and Reed would help. Ulis is going to lose his job in the NBA.
     
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    That's definitely terrible, BUT there are positives too. Bender went from 28% last season to 38% this season. Booker went from 34 his rookie season, to 36 last year, to 38% now. Daniels is shooting well over 40%, as is Dudley, but Dudley doesn't get much playing time (and rightly so.) Cannan appears to be an adequate shooter, and Reed should do well, though rookies tend to struggle shooting from behind the line. Ulis and Chriss are the two that worry me. They just don't look like the same players we saw last year.

    All that said, they need to add more shooters at some point. Also, if Warren wants to be a serious player, he HAS to get to mid-thirties from behind the line.
     
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  10. BC867

    BC867 Long time Phoenician! Contributor

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    Just because Bender is 7'1", is rebounding his role on the team? Before his growth spurt, didn't he used to be a Point Guard? And now, isn't he probably a too-tall Small Forward? Not to say that it makes him a good Small Forward. He is too young to make that determination. Luckily, the Suns finally have Centers who handle the rebounds.

    'Same as when I opposed Alvan Adams remaining at the Center position for a decade because he was 6'9" and took the NBA by surprise in his rookie year. He had the skinniest arms on the court of anyone (including the coaches) and played offense like a 2-Guard. In his case, his college coach, John MacLeod, brought him into the NBA when he was coaching the Suns. It was almost like nepotism.
     
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    When you are 7'1, you should grab a rebound every five minutes by accident. And this is coming from a guy who is a huge Bender fan. He needs to be more aggressive on the boards and offensively. He also needs to keep working on his shot. Tonight was a good example- he had no lift on his threes. He was shooting them like free throws from behind the line. I like the guy a lot, but it is absolutely not acceptable for a seven-footer to not grab a few rebounds in 20+ minutes.
     
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    Chriss has had 4 games this year where he's only gotten 1 rebound and 5 games where he's only pulled down 2 rebounds, so 9 games with 2 rebounds or less and he's the starter. How is that acceptable but Bender coming off the bench and playing a different role not?

    A backup should get you about half of what the starter does, right? Maybe more. Well Bender's only had 7 games like that while Chriss has had 9, so you figure it out.
     
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    All that says to me is both are pathetic rebounders.
     
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    In their (partial) defense, with three legitimate Centers on the team, this is the first time in a long, long, long time that the Suns Power Forwards (or even Small Forwards) don't have to rebound.

    When a Center is near a rebound, the others yield (as they should).

    I am enjoying it while I can.
     
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    Yes, enjoy it BC. I can't remember the Suns ever having 4 legitimate centers on their roster.

    However, the PF position should be producing more rebounds as noted.
     
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