Sun Devil Basketball 17-18

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  1. TJ

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    Nah. Give asu its due: This team is really good. To come into McKale and play balls-to-the-wall like that and make UofA sweat takes talent and coaching. I’m not sure how well asu will do playing with no size for the rest of the season, but for the average fan, it’s at least a bit entertaining.
     
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    This one lived up to the hype. Both teams will end the season in the top 5. How cool will that be?
     
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    ASU acquitted themselves quite well. They are legit and will be a factor both in the PAC and in the tournament. I can see them still taking the conference out from under Arizona. They didn't come close to playing their "A" game and still very nearly stole this one.
     
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    UofA tends to do that to fast break teams; hence, holding asu 13 points under its average. Additionally, UofA had 15 TO, many of which unforced. Further, Trier was ice cold in the first half. Argument can be made that UofA played a B- game.
     
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    Rawle was pretty cocky before the game and was not good tonight. Neither was Trier in the first. The offense was actually a mess without PJC. I expected more from Barcello but he's not ready for prime time yet.

    USC might be the biggest disappointment in the country so the PAC is a two horse race. I expect Arizona to win because they're slightly better defensively and not as reliant on the 3-ball but anything can happen.
     
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    Arizona definitely has a match up advantage with Ayton. There is no doubt on my mind that if UA doesn't have him, ASU wins going away tonight.

    But the whole point being that based on personnel, everyone knew that UA was going to be a top team this year. But nobody expected ASU to be. So tonight's game was further proof that ASU is in the conversation for conference - and even national - relevancy.
     
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    You proved yourself a team to be reckoned with weeks ago. Tonight's result does not change that.

    I will say, however, if I'm an ASU fan, and knowing that the stakes are higher for this season, here would be my concerns:

    • How successful can the team be playing small all season? Even lesser talented teams with elite with great bigs can eat ASU alive.
    • How often can the team get down by double digits and rely on frenetic scoring to get itself back into games?
    • How does ASU handle the pressure of having the bullseye on its back? It's easy to win games when you fly under the radar, but ask any Arizona fan, and you'll know that teams play you a little harder when you are the hunted.
     
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    Yes, those are all things ASU will have to deal with going forward. As for the small ball issue, it is not such a stumbling block these days as it once was. Michigan (for one example) has had some good tournament runs playing the exact same style in recent years. And ASU is not going to encounter too many teams that present any kind of similar matchup issue to what Ayton is.
     
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    I am glad ASU lost. This early in the season, they need something that stings a bit to help them learn. They will do that and improve going forward.
     
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    Ayton is an incredible talent. At his size, to have the skills, moves, hands and IQ he possesses... WOW!
    ASU suffers from not having any legit size. It will hurt them thoroughly PAC-12 play. They will still contend and the UofA game in Tempe nightly likely turn out differently. But the lack of size will be a nagging issue for Hurley to somehow deal with and overcome.
     
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    The problem with the lane violation is that while Mitchell was in first he wasn't the only guy in, we've talked about that on UCLA boards for 2 years now Trier "pumpfakes" before he shoots his FT. It's part of his ritual but it is very tough to call that violation on the shooter so he gets away with it.

    I still have no idea what happened on the T, the announcer was saying something about it trying to compare it to the one on Ayton but that was obvious he intentionally elbowed a player standing there on a dead ball, this other one we never saw.

    I thought the 2 biggest plays of the game were when ASU had the lead and Trier drove in and they called a foul on White that clearly wasn't a foul, even Muehlbach said it wasn't remotely a foul, ASU had all the momentum then and that call just gave Trier 2 points. But the big play was the steal by Holder where Trier got back and made him miss and then ASU missed a point blank putback as well, that was a huge play it would have tied the game up and UA pulled away a bit after that.

    Ayton was unreal but I have to agree with the announcers, the Pac 12 refs are going to have to pay close attention to him he's so long and so athletic that I think they allowed at least 2 and maybe 3 offensive interferences on his putbacks because he gets the ball so high, the ref forgets that it's still in the cylinder and he can't touch it.

    Great game. To be fair, Hurley could have been given a T about a dozen times and wasn't.

    Most entertaining game I've seen all year, can't wait for the mid Feb rematch
     
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    I don't think ASU is actually all that small it's just when you play Arizona it's like a college team vs a pro team because Arizona has 2 legit 7 footers on the court at the same time.

    White is plenty big enough, as is Lake and Mitchell surprised me last night he was a very hyped recruit but as a point forward, he actually played a pretty tough game 10 and 7 against that front line was.

    UCLA has 2 bigs too but they're both largely finesse guys and I doubt ASU is going to have anywhere near as much trouble with them as they did with Ayton and Ristic.

    Arizona won IMO because they did a very good job on Justice and Evans, it's tough to win when those 2 combine to go 5-20. I thought Miller also made a very smart change at the half, in the first half it was quite common to see Trier on Holder and Tra was just blowing by him getting into the lane at will, in the 2nd half that matchup rarely happened, they didn't stop Holder of course but it was a much better matchup with PJC or Alkins on him and it allowed Trier to get going offensively because he wasn't chasing Holder
     
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    Devils aren't that small. Xavier and Kansas both have quality bigs and they didn't have a problem. Everybody looks outmatched next to Ayton.

    Devils had a chance with one minute to go in McKale. Not the outcome I wanted but I'm still super psyched going forward. Devils have as good a chance of winning the Pac as any other team.
     
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    Brought back down to earth. Now, let's start a new win streak.:cool:
     
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