Lonzo Ball

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  1. devilalum

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    I don't think this is true. He may not have lotto value but I know there are teams that want him. His PER was 21 last year. He is currently still the Suns best player.
     
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    Lonzo Ball on whether the Lakers asked about LaVar in a meeting: “No, they were open-armed and said they loved my dad so I left it at that.
     
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    In 2011 San Antonio traded George Hill to Indy for the #15 pick that ended up being Kawhi Leonard. I'd have to think Bledsoe could at least fetch similar to slightly better value.
     
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    I guarantee the 15the pick in this draft will never be worthy of holding Kawhi Leonard's jock. But yeah, 15 seems about right.


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    There will be an all-star, maybe even an all-nba player picked in the middle of the first round of this draft somewhere. There are just too many intriguing players. The trick is figuring out which one it is.
     
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    No, no, no, no, and heeeell no.

    As disappointed as we all were by Bender's rookie campaign, Ingram was by many statistical measures the worst regular player in the entire NBA.

    Not saying I wouldn't take him, but no freakin way I'd take him in exchange for that pick. If he was in this draft I'm not sure where he'd go but I feel pretty good saying it would be well after our pick.
     
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    I'm not high on Ingram either. I would rather we keep the #4 if we don't trade for Porzingis.
     
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    If I could get odds in Vegas I'd defenitely bet that the 15th player in this draft will NEVER be as good as Leonard.
     
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    Let's see. Is that what I said? No. Those are pretty narrow parameters.

    Its likely there will be a future all-star, maybe even all-nba, player picked between 10 and 25.
     
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    Hmm an awful lot of discussion bashing Ball this season and now that he's hit double figures scoring in 4 straight games averaging a shade under 16PPG in those games silence.

    He's starting to figure things out, he's both driving more, and he's figured out which spots on the floor he shoots well from and which ones he struggles from and he's setting up in the good spots. As a result he's shooting about 40% from 3 in those games. He's actually been in double figures in 7 of his last 12 games, which is still not that impressive but given how poorly he started, distinct improvement.

    He's also added a shot to his arsenal he's now become quite good at going right, pulling up and hitting a 15 footer.

    For the year now 9.6 7 and 7 a game, still not great but he's among the best rookies in both assists and rebounds. Still only shooting 34% overall 27.4% from 3 but both numbers on the way up. The weird thing for me is still his FT%, he's still shooting only 50%, he shot 67% at UCLA and frankly I think he shot better than that the last 10 games or so, really odd that he's shooting so poorly from the FT line in the NBA.

    He's been playing with a calf issue on both legs for the last few weeks, he said it's like having a knot in both calves, but it sounds like they've worked through it although he's still wearing the compression sleeves on both calves.

    I suspect there's lots to his better play but I think a big part of it was the reaction of his teammates when Jamal Murray mocked him at the end of a loss to Denver by dribbling around him as Ball was standing facing the other way waiting for the clock to expire. The Lakers were so incensed by Murray 2 of them ran over and fouled him hard, and Luke Walton specifically called out Murray for being immature after the game and said the Lakers would remember it. I don't think it particularly bothered Lonzo, guys have been taking shots at him all season, but I think the reaction of his teammates, having his back, was a pick me up of sorts.

    He's still got a long ways to go, but we're starting to see much more glimpses of the kid that played so great for UCLA last year
     
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    Ok. But you'll always have to wrestle with the fact that he can't shoot and can't defend AND has the worst demeanor after things go bad. He looks flat out defeated and ready to cry. And I'm not trying to be Scut Farkus here, I'm seriously pointing out that there were times that he looked like he wanted to crawl out of the gym with his head bowed down. His lack of confidence is startling.

    The fact that he needed his team to have his back in order for him to excel proves he's mentally fragile.

    I didn't think highly of him pre draft, I think even less of him now.
     
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    Could you see Ball passing to all the Suns great three point shooters.
     
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    I would dispute it's a fact given how well he shot in college. I think he got off to a terrible start, lost confidence, under incredible pressure, and has started to figure things out now.

    He was too passive early in the year, wanted to cry, didn't see that, I saw a kid who was overmatched playing heavy minutes in his hometown for the team he grew up wanting to play for and feeling lots of pressure. He seems to be settling in.

    Fox may ultimately turn out better, he's playing better in December too at least he's shooting better, his A/TO ratio in December is 2/2.4, yes more turnovers than assists for the month. Smith Jr has been impressive this year but the reason he slid in the draft was his injury situation, and surprise, Smith missed 6 games in a row in mid December with a hip condition that's now the 3rd leg related injury in his young career. Great athlete, fun to watch, but at least so far the concerns he might have injury issues seem warranted, they have played 32 games this season and he's missed 8 of them, a full 25%, due to injury.
     
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    Need one of these

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    That's the interesting thing for all his issues, the Lakers are among the NBA leaders in points in the paint, in part because they have guys who can score in the paint, Ingram, Randle etc, and in part because they don't have good 3 point shooters so they go inside. Kuzma has obviously been a godsend for them and has been shooting great from 3 of late but they're really not a good shooting team. Completely different than what Lonzo played in college an outside shooting team with no post game. He's adapting pretty well in terms of running that offense, his whole problem has been shooting.

    Given everything he's had to deal with off the court in the last year from his moms stroke to his dad doing one stupid thing after another and then Gelo's shoplifting, I'm glad to see he's actually fought through it. I don't think there's another rookie in the NBA that has had more things off the court to deal with than Lonzo.
     

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