I will be totally cool with a rebuild

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  1. Cardiac

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    I would say that Budda Baker is an upgrade over Honey Badger. Los will be missed leadership wise but there is a reason he is no longer playing football. I agree about Tramon Williams but getting David back is a huge plus.

    I also agree that BA was an outstanding HC but I'm hoping Wilks is as good as he sounds and that he has upgraded the assistant coaches, at least ST's will be better.

    I'm still concerned about the Oline and if Diche doesn't play up to his talents then the Dline will be decent to okay.
     
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    Yes yes yes I know it's BB the players are just pawns. We've been over this
     
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    And who is the upgrade at FS/replaces Kerry Rhodes?
     
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    Kerry Rhodes?
     
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    Wow. I’m surprised that McShay’s comment did get more publicity. Interesting.


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    Tyvon Branch.
     
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    I was the biggest BA supporter on this board but even I was starting to grow impatient with his stick the last couple of years. IMO BA's stubborn refusal to get rid of his buddy Amos Jones killed this teams chances the last couple of years. Also I felt that BA kind of lost this team after the "All or Nothing" season. I believe that he became too chummy with many of the veterans. His training camps had become Camp Cupcake and it showed early in the season the last couple of years.

    I still think that BA was one of the best HC in Cardinals history but I think he made the right decision to retire when he did. This is why I was all for hiring Wilks in that I think this team needed more discipline and a fresh start.
     
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    His record in one-score games was no accident. Maybe it was a result of the Wyatt Earp effect, but it was statistically unusual. It's unclear what if any strategic advantage Wilks can bring.
     
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    So, Arians had an obvious vet preference. That is now gone.

    Arians coached up the offense which enabled us to win games we probably should not have. That is now gone.

    Arians did not focus as much on defense or special teams .

    Now we have Wilks

    Wilks has seemed to bring in a group of coaches who prefer to teach and coach up players (from my experience, that is not uncommon for defense minded coaches)

    Wilks will likely rely on a high percentage, control offense. This will put pressure on his defense to keep games close.

    We don't know how much focus Wilks will put on offense and special teams.

    In terms of what our current operation looks like, it isn't a rebuild. You don't keep valuable veteran assets if you are "rebuilding". We are retooling, and building around a core group of players. These players are Chandler Jones, Patrick Peterson, Justin Pugh, David Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald. We are trying to get the most out of those players as they are established producers and have limited years left in their prime.

    Now, we also have a group of players that are young-ish but our current staff did not draft, and are not beholden to yet. Those players are Ricky Seals-Jones, DJ Humphries, Robert Nkemdiche, Olson Pierre, Markus Golden, Deone Bucannon, Haason Reddick, and Budda Baker. These players are not part of that core group because we have nothing to go off of in terms of scheme fit, and how the position is valued by the coach. An example of this is Markus Golden. Golden could be a 9 sack guy in this scheme and not be retained because Wilks likes to rotate his DEs. You don't pay a guy 9 mil per year to play 39% of snaps. Budda Baker may play lights out and never get a second contract from Arizona because Wilks does value paying the S position. Haason Reddick mat stick around despite being average because Wilks puts more value in LBs who can run. We just don't know.

    What we do know is this. Josh Rosen, Christian Kirk, Mason Cole, Chase Edmunds, and Chris Campbell will be given every chance to stick on this roster. What can we deduce from this? Timing and rhythm based passing game. Use of the RB in the passing game. Physical and durable offensive linemen, and possibly a value on position versatility. Length at CB on the outside.
     
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    Getting Markus Golden back, another year of development for Reddick, Baker, and Pierre should keep the defense on track. I'm hoping that Wilks can get more out of Brandon Williams or another #2 CB. I'm excited about Chris Campbell too.

    I think the offense should be better with a more stable offensive line and David Johnson back. Wilks from everyone who has been around him Carolina is a pretty good coach. I'm hoping that this staff will be better at player development, especially on defense and the offensive line.

    That would be a criticism I have of the Arians staff: while Arians certainly called a good offensive game for the most part, players didn't seem to get a whole lot better under his tutelage. I remember him saying early in his stint that coaches can't do a whole lot of one on one coaching in the NFL. From what I've seen, that isn't quite true, so teams tend to better at developing talent. We saw a few olinemen leave the Cardinals and remark how much more technique they learned with their new team (Cole Toner definitely commented on that).

    I think the Cardinals hover between 6-10 and 9-7 this year. The Seahawks have purged a lot of that talent that made that defense good, they should fall down a few notches. I would be surprised in the 9ers don't improve a whole lot more either, not too impressed with their moves outside of trading for Garrapolo.

    So I'm not fully disagreeing with the notion that the team might be better but have a worse record, but I can also see a path to the team having a better record this year. I'm definitely excited about this teams future after this draft class, I think it's one of the better Keim classes on paper.
     
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    Antione Bethea got a ton of snaps and played well IIRC. Isn't Branch still available and getting close to being healthy again?

    Is it silly for me to have a ton of faith in Wilks ability to coach up DB talent? He won't have as much time to devote to the DB's as a HC but he should still have an impact.

    What's wacky is that the FA period before this one some Safeties made big coin and this year it was a buyer's market.
     
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    BA was a master of closing out the half. Doing that thing where they'd score right at the end of the half, then come out and score again. Racking up a quick 14 points. Belichek is good at that too. In fact, I think they did that to the Cards when Jimmy G beat us, IIRC? I guess that's why BA liked to always receive the kick in the second half. Kind of lost that mojo though last year and he finally had to concede to receiving the first kick.
     
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    Not at all I a remember it. If BA won the coin toss he always elected to receive the kick and if we lost the coin toss then the opposing HC almost always elected to defer which means we received the opening kick off and they got the ball to start the 2nd half.

    I thought BA did this because he had that much confidence in his offense to score on the opening drive. The past couple of years that turned out not to be the case so at some point last season he did start to defer if he won the coin toss.
     
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    Yeah I did get that backwards didn't I? :D Still, the part about racking up the quick 14 points was a thing he talked about and happened frequently, I guess in his earlier years.
     
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    Bethea was a FS and Branch was Strong, right? I wonder if Wilks will be more traditional in his lineup decisions. If Baker is gonna play more traditional safety, we have another yuuuuge hole at nickel back.
     

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