How good is Booker?

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  1. Haunting

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    Jesus, help me

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    I guess you must talk about recent play. Afterall Bender is averaging 5.2ppg 2.3rpg on 32.4%FG in 21mpg in December.
     
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    I watched the entire Grizzlies game. Chriss's defensive activity was excellent. He constantly made himself available as an interior help defender with good timing and good positioning. That's part of the reason he got so many rebounds (12 of his 13 were on the defensive end). Yes, he was confused on offense and made some costly turnovers, but he commanded enough attention to open up opportunities for his teammates.

    Bender's pass on the last play was outstanding, and he made one three-pointer (against four misses), but otherwise he contributed nothing offensively, and he was a severe liability on defense. In this one game, Chriss outplayed Bender by a large margin. I won't make any broader comparisons about what they've done this season or whose potential is higher, but in this one game, it was Chriss in a landslide.
     
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    Ha! Yes, I didn't even realize what thread I was posting in. Sorry about that.
     
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    What you don't get (outside of spewing stats without watching games), is that this isn't an outright comparison of Bender to Chriss. It is a FACT that even marginally, Bender has improved over last season. It is ALSO A FACT that Chriss has significantly regressed this year. That is a big deal, regardless of what your stats tell you. Bender is trending upward, however slowly, but Chriss is trending downward at an alarming rate. You and Eric can quote the last game all you want, but until he consistently has that performance game in and game out, it is simply an anomaly, and should be treated as such.
     
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    Except it is not. But you can't argue based on facts because they disprove your opinion.

    What is FACT is that you never provide any evidence for your claims. Go and look up what FACT means, it certainly does not mean Chaplin's opinion.


    Bender has gotten significantly worse as a rebounder. His block rate is down and his steal rate is also down.

    Bender is trending upward! LOL - Bender is averaging 5ppg 2rpg on 32%FG in December. His offensive rating is under 90 in December.
    Chriss played less minutes than Bender in December and averaged 6.3 4.8 on 43%FG. More than doubled his rebounding production in less minutes.



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    Season    Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G   MP PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS DWS   WS   WS/48 OBPM DBPM  BPM VORP
    2016-17    19 PHO NBA  PF 43  574 5.3 .440 .627 .068  4.2 15.6  9.7  5.5  0.8  3.1 16.2  14.4 -0.7 0.3 -0.3  -0.029 -4.0 -0.3 -4.3 -0.3
    2017-18    20 PHO NBA  PF 36  762 6.7 .501 .681 .108  1.8 14.3  8.0  5.9  0.6  2.2 14.6  12.5 -0.2 0.3  0.1    .005 -2.6 -0.4 -3.0 -0.2
    Career                NBA 79 1336 6.1 .473 .656 .090  2.8 14.8  8.7  5.7  0.7  2.6 15.3  13.3 -0.9 0.6 -0.3  -0.010 -3.2 -0.3 -3.6 -0.5
    
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    Generated 12/28/2017.

    The only things Bender notably improved (SO FAR) are his shooting percentage which was hard not to since he was tied for dead last last year and his PER which is still barely half of the league average and last year was among the worst 60 in NBA history for a player with at least X minutes.

    And why do I write so far? Because Bender's shooting percentages are plummeting like a rock already. For December he is back down to 46%TS approaching his his historically bad 44% mark from last year.
     
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    You STILL haven't refuted anything about actually watching games. You love your stats, but you don't watch basketball. And you expect us to take you like you're some John Hollinger NBA expert?

    Keep regurgitating stats all you want. Maybe you should find another board that will worship you, since that is exactly what you crave.
     
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    Keep being ignorant. You are basically the basketball fan version of a tea party voter. Talking to you about basketball is like talking to "Dude" about politics. When confronted with facts/stats you resort to avoiding any actual valid argument.

    You have no clue how much basketball I watch. But I know one thing you have zero understanding of what you are watching and don't even bother to validate your own claims.
     
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    Typical slinslin quote, and what got you banned in the first place. I have no respect for people like you.
     
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    You are so funny man.

    You talk about respect but you contribute nothing to an argument except your opinion and then get defensive when confronted with actual facts that invalidate your opinions.
     
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    I am not convinced it is Slin yet (though the name Haunting like a ghost of a former poster does make me wonder).

    Anyway, please stop with the attacks Haunting.
     
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    Has he denied it?
     
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    And you still have not said how much actual basketball you watch.
     
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    If that's not Slin, he is a master impressionist.
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    That’s what convinced me, he hasn’t. Not once.
     

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