Gerrymandering History?

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    The real question is how you draw the lines, i.e. what set of criteria do you use and what weight do you give competing criteria.

    Ideally (and no one likes this idea but me) you’d increase the size of Congress so that each congressperson represents a set number of people. 100,000; 350,000, whatever. That way, you add seats and can change the lines based on demographic shift.
     
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    I love this idea
     
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    This is really cool. I love the way the map looks with the algorithm to make the district shapes compact.

     
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    So this is the law and order party?

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    https://thinkprogress.org/pennsylva...y-its-anti-gerrymandering-order-afc0b3cd8eb0/

    Pennsylvania GOP leader tells state supreme court he will defy its anti-gerrymandering order

    In an audacious move by a political leader who could potentially be held in contempt of court, Pennsylvania Senate President pro tempore Joseph Scarnati (R) informed the state supreme court on Wednesday that he will openly defy one of the court’s recent orders in a gerrymandering case.

    On January 22, the state supreme court struck down the state’s gerrymandered congressional maps — maps which enabled the GOP to win 13 of the state’s 18 congressional districts even in years when Democrats won the statewide popular vote. That order explained that the state’s maps must be “composed of compact and contiguous territory” and must not “divide any county, city, incorporated town, borough, township, or ward, except where necessary to ensure equality of population.” It also gave the legislature until February 9 to draw new maps, and the governor until February 15 to approve the maps and submit them to the court for review.

    Four days after its initial order, on January 26, the court issued a subsequent order requiring the legislature to turn over certain data — including geolocation files “that contain the current boundaries of all Pennsylvania municipalities and precincts” and various reports analyzing how well the legislature’s proposed new maps comply with the court’s January 22 order.

    In a letter from his legal counsel, Scarnati explicitly refuses to comply with the second order. Though the letter claims that “the General Assembly is currently advancing bills aimed at creating an alternative map,” the letter also states that “Senator Scarnati will not be turning over any data identified in the Court’s Orders.”

    Scarnati’s stated reason for this defiance is his belief that the court’s January 22 order “violates the U.S. Constitution’s Elections Clause.” Last week, Scarnati sought a stay of the January 22 order from the Supreme Court of the United States, claiming that only the state legislature and not the state courts are constitutionally allowed to weigh in on questions of gerrymandering. The U.S. Supreme Court has not yet ruled on this stay request, which means that both the January 22 order and the January 26 order remain binding upon Scarnati.

    Scarnati’s request for a stay conflicts with the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2015 decision in Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistrict Commission. It is also difficult to square with the Court’s landmark 1803 decision in Marbury v. Madison, which held that “it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is.”
     
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    It’s ok to ignore hundreds of years of precedent if you don’t want to do something.

    This party just disgusts me.
     
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    Yep. Blows my mind how people can think like this or support a party who obviously doesn’t give a crap about common decency and the rule of law.
     
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    https://apnews.com/acf477136d9145f4...P,-Supreme-Court-won't-block-PA-redistricting
     
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    Both parties do things that disgust me, but this is the #1 thing that makes me hate the GOP. Decency and law & order are all fine until it conflicts with a power grab. Democracy is fine, until you lose elections. Representative Government is great, so long as you represent $ instead of voters. It is just a scumbag group at the top.
     
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    Fantastic news. This should set a precedent that other courts can follow.
     
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    Does anyone have a link to the opinion?

    [edit] I read the order (no opinion yet); the PA SCT was smart by finding that the legal grounds for invalidating the gerrymandered map were solely based under the state constitution. That removes it from the Federal Supreme Court's purview.

    http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opini...sdiction Retained 10339890932033626.pdf?cb=1
     
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    Republicans don’t deserve power in this country. This is disgusting.

     
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