Bob Iger Says Star Wars and Marvel Movies Will Continue Forever

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    You're dead too.

    To me, Harry Potter is the perfect series to feel like a giddy kid again. Every movie in the series is good, some better than others, but none of them are bad.
     
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    A New Hope is the best movie of all of them, but the Harry Potter SERIES, as a whole, is much better than the Star Wars series, to date.
     
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    hasn't seemed that way at the box office, where good or bad, the Star Wars movies crush everything in all other series. That doesn't happen if most people in their thirties and twenties don't care as much. Either way, I don't really care all that much either.

    I just don't want Star Wars till the end of time over studios actually making good solid stories that don't have a 2 at the end of them. But that ain't gonna happen either so I'll just bitch about it here!
     
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    interesting conundrum. (By the way ESB is the best one) My homeboy George Lucas was not very creative when it came to story telling. He was never going to be a Dickens or a Hemingway. His story of farm boy saves princess from evil overlord has been done a gazillion and twenty three times. So,..can SW compete with Harry Potter in the realms of story and character development? No.

    George didnt tell a horribly creative story. What George did was create an infinitely creative universe to tell stories within. Unfortunately for George Hollywood was greatly lacking in the tools to tell his stories properly. So George created a new company, Industrial Light and Magic, to advance the effects technology in Hollywood so he could tell his stories on the big screen where they were designed to be.

    For forty years ILM has been pushing the boundaries of special effects technology and making movie magic in Hollywood better than any other. This of course pushed others to also increase their tech so they could stay competitive. What resulted from this competition is the fantastic special effects we see every day now even on regular television.

    What resulted was Harry Potter. A well written story of a group of young wizards dodging various hazards as they faced the world. A fantastic story that never would have made it past the first movie if the flying books had to be bounced around the set with piano strings. A fantastic story that would have been a colossal flop if all the amazing magical creatures had been made of costume fur and paper mache'.

    George had a dream. But had to create entirely new technologies to see his dream come to life. We can see the progressions of that dream throughout the SW trilogies. When we watch ANH and see how poorly it was done it is hard to remember that it was truly fantastic in its time. But the Harry Potter movies never would have happened without it.
     
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    I think that's fair. That's why I find it interesting how much flack James Cameron gets for Avatar. Poor story but very good execution. A good description of A New Hope. Question now is if Cameron has an Empire Strikes Back in him. He's generally VERY good at 2nd movies in series (see Aliens and T2), so holding out hope.
     
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    Some great points.

    One can be a fan of both series :)
     
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    I took Avatar for what it was because the first time I saw it was in Imax 3D and thats what it was designed for. The rest of it was just crap political mumbo jumbo. But I love the movie because its a great spectacle.
    I heard they have 4 or 5 more of those in the mix? Sure is taking them a long time to get one on the screen.

    Can you imagine how poor Avatar would have been without ILM? With puppet creatures and latex masks on all the natives? Everything having to be double screened to show the size of the natives...damn that woulda really sucked, lol.

    when I was a kid one of the best sci-fi horror movies out there was "The Incredible Melting Man"... I saw it on late night TV a few years ago and turned it on... that crap is totally unwatchable.
    Since they have invested now 8 years into sequeling Avatar I think they will do well with it. Though I think it would be wise to not over hype the movie...huge expectations creates disappointed viewers. An Avatar sequel is going to draw a huge audience anyway...and when the first viewers report to their friends that the best parts aint in the trailers it will just get bigger...with everyone walking away pleasantly surprised at how good it was.
     
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    Absolutely Jon, I love them both. It just surprises me sometimes that people forget what we were watching 40 years ago, and how fickle a movie going audience can be. Star Wars was instrumental in changing the movie landscape for future generations. It placed a focus on special effects and how they are created. The success that ILM has had has drastically increased the potential for story telling on film. Movies like The Lord of The Rings could never have been well made without those advances in effects tech.

    Interesting trivia:
    Early on George Lucas was patent crazy...he patented everything ILM and LucasFilm did that was different. So, a few years later we get "Battlestar Galactica" on TV...awesome right?... but before they released the pilot they had to go back and edit out the lasers... because Lucas had patented lasers... thus, forever more Galactica would just show a flash at the blaster then an explosion wherever it hit.


    Maybe Dr Strange could initiate a crossover. Drop Rey off at Hogwarts, where we find out that magic is actually just the force, but in their world you need a combination of words and gestures to guide it...
     
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    use the force, harry!
     
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    I’m wondering if the last couple Avatars end up being shot 360 so they can be completely immersive VR IMAX experiences. Dude is ALWAYS pushing the envelope on special effects and I expect him to do the same with these movies.

    I also expect everyone to say the next one is going to be a flop, the first one didn’t age well, yada yada yada... and then sit back and watch it breaks every box office record just like he’s done repeatedly.

    The man makes big spectacle cinema better than anyone else... pretty much ever. And his movies usually have at least a decent brain to them, not to mention massively kick-ass female protoganists.
     
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    Star Wars (later named A New Hope) will always have a special place in my heart because of how amazed I was when I first saw it. Groundbreaking stuff at the time followed by the onslaught of toys and collectibles over the years. Definitely stirred the imagination of countless people. That universe has been a part of my daily life for nearly 41 years. so it will always rule over anything else. The original trilogy will always reign over any Star Wars movies that follow. Just difficult to recapture that time again. Great things were happening with ILM/Lucasfilm. I wish there had not been so many years between the original trilogy and the prequels...and now the ongoing sequels. I feel better films could have been made while the original cast were still younger.

    I'm optimistic moving forward with planned out trilogies, etc. and hope these new directors can pull off some amazing tales. I just hope they are original and don't just retread previous films.
     
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    I think it’s amazing that you haven’t seen Harry Potter, and you wear that fact like it’s some point of honor or something. Why is that?
     
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    I'm not against seeing them, but for some reason, my wife never cared to...so we just skipped them. For me, I'd probably read all of the books before seeing the films. Grew up reading a lot of sci-fi and fantasy, so I'm sure I'd like the series.

    BTW: Won a DVD/Blu-Ray of Avatar. Still sealed on our shelf. Missed it in the theaters and still haven't seen it. Wanted to see it for the effects but heard from people that saw it that the story kind of stunk.
     
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    The story is Ferngully. That’s it. Nothing subversive but worth checking out for the visuals at least.
     
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    It is a great series to read - one comment - JK Rowling grows tremendously as a writer through the series - first book is more at a teen level, but as the characters age, the writing matures as well.
     
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