Arizona Diamondbacks off season thread 2017-2018

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  1. Dude

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    Ok but does it matter where the power plays as long as you have it? Or are you saying we need power in RF as well as 3B? Power spots?
     
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    The more corner positions manned by power hitters, the more competitive we will be next season. Especially with losing JD and our starting Catcher and the power he displayed.

    I still feed that RBI's is the most important stat on offense. Players who can drive in as many runners as possible.
     
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    I had hope that by now we'd have grown you out of this perspective. We still have time I suppose.
     
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    Why? How many times during D-backs games last season did we listen to the announcers keep repeating how many runners were left on base as the games progressed?

    What could be more important on offense than a batter coming to the plate with a runner or runners having gotten on base? The pressure was not on the runners. When they get on, they get on. But when a batter comes up with runners on base, they have a singular opportunity to drive them in.

    That is the number that goes under the "R" on the scoreboard and, ultimately, that is all that matters on offense. Not hits, not errors. Runs (or the opposite -- runners left on base, especially if they were in scoring position).

    So rather than post about me "growing out" of my perspective (unnecessary), tell us what could be more important for a team (when they are on offense) than driving in runner(s) on base. Or the opposite -- not leaving them on base. A lot has changed in baseball, but not that.

    RUNS.....HITS.....ERRORS.....LEFT ON BASE
    ..+.............................................-...........

    Offensively, that's what it's all about. Those who deliver when they have the opportunity. :clapping:
     
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    Simple question here:

    Who is the better MLB baseball player offensively, Rickey Henderson (Avg 59 RBI/162 Games) or Dante Bichette (Avg 108 RBI/162 Games)

    If you choose Henderson, you kinda kill your "RBI's is the most important stat on offense". If you pick Bichette, you kinda kill your "I can judge baseball talent".
     
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    Bruh, Jake Lamb >>>>>>>>>>> Kris Bryant
     
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    C'mon. Of course you need all types of hitters in a batting order. And I didn't say anything about "better MLB baseball player". Or "judging baseball talent".

    I stated my opinion, "What could be more important on offense than a batter coming to the plate with a runner or runners having gotten on base?" Any batter throughout the lineup. All through the game. They either drive in the run(s) or they don't. Because runs are what matter most at the end of each game. Nothing else determines the standings and who goes into the post-season or wins championships.

    Again, it is not about "who is the better player".

    I didn't say "who", I said "what". What could be more important on offense than a batter (not just the stars) coming to the plate with a runner or runners having gotten on base ... They either drive in the run(s) or they don't.

    That would make Jake Lamb's RBI's an important factor, except for his meltdown during the 2nd half of the past two seasons. Terrible inconsistency.

    And now, with JD (who was the difference maker getting us into the post-season) gone, we will probably be back to leaving too many runners on base and missing the post-season.

    DWKB and GatorAZ, I'd like to hear your responses to these opinions I've given, rather than unrelated issues like ... who is the better player among Rickey Henderson, Dante Bichette, Jake Lamb or Kris Bryant. Again, my point is based upon "what" -- driving in runners on base. Not "who".
     
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    RBIs aren’t pointless, they are just irrelevant when measuring a players value. 15 years ago that wasn’t the case, and RBIs were probably the king offensive stat. Now RBIs are right there with pitching wins and saves - can’t tell a players value by those numbers.

    Players who bat 3 or 4 have a better chance of leading the team in RBIs than the 1 or 2 guy, even when they are the better hitters. Managers control the lineup.

    Someone who comes to bat with runners in scoring position 75% of the time is going to have more RBIs than someone who comes to bat with RISP 25% of the time, even if the 75% guy is a much worse hitter.

    RISP would be a better way to measure whether a player is producing runs in opportunities provided. Goldy hitting a double with no one on base vs Goldy hitting a double with a man on 2nd. He still did his job, but he adds one into the RBI column just because his teammate in front of him did his job? Seems a little asinine doesn’t it? Good hitters hit statistically regardless of the situation, so surround them with other good hitters.
     
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    A very reasonable explanation. But I am curious what has made RBI's (especially concerning runners on base) irrelevant over the past 15 years, vs. the whole history of MLB baseball. Especially in the National League without a DH adding batting skill to the #9 spot.

    Another question. I agree with you about pitching wins (not being as meaningful as ERA) for starting pitchers. But why would a closer's saves (vs. blown saves) not be a direct measurement of his performance? He comes in to pitch the 9th with a lead and gives it up. Isn't that pretty clear cut? Yes, some teams take leads into the 9th inning more or less than others, but that has always been the case.
     
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    The Diamondbacks left the 5th most runners stranded in Scoring Position last season. The four teams that left more were the Yankees, Indians, Twins and Dodgers. They all made the playoffs and were top-8 in team RBI's. Great offenses tend to leave runners on b/c they have more base runners. Nobody is saying driving in runs isn't important but regarding individual players I'm more interested in Runs Created than Runs Batted In.
     
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    So we signed Yoshihisa Hirano who was a dominant closer 4-5 years ago but now he's going on 34... 6 mil according to Piecoro. Setting up Archie.
     
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    If the rumblings are true that Martinez's contract may actually go in the $120M range instead of the $200M range then ARZ needs to do that. Another rumor I hear is that Moustakas may sign a one year deal and hit FA again next year, they could pay a big one year salary. ARZ isn't in dire straights, I just read that all MLB teams are getting $50M in the sale of a MLB streaming service sold to Disney. Remember, ARZ signed that multi-billion dollar TV deal a couple of years ago. This team doesn't have the farm to promote from within to fill these positions so if they want to win 90+ games and reach the playoffs they need to get another bat or two and sufficiently build up the bullpen or its back to 90 - 100 loss years.
     
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    With those numbers, JD needs to be a Dback.
     
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