2018 2nd round pick is Christian Kirk

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  1. ajcardfan

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    For those tempted to compare to Johnny Manziel, there is none. JF grew up in a small Texas town and my Brother-in-law who lives there told me, before Manziel took a snap in college that he had a "big head", had a "hot temper" and liked to party. He told me he would likely get in trouble. And, on Aggies message there were lots of Manziel stories and rumors going around.

    Not a whiff of that about Kirk. Everyone is just like, "Well, never thought he would do something that stupid." Given the choice between a DUI or throwing rocks for one of our guys its a no brainer.
     
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    Do I want him cut? No but I do want people to acknowledge that what he did was wrong and he both needs to be made to pay for all repairs and acknowledge himself what he did was both wrong and stupid. But what I can't stand is this cavalier attitude here with people who don't think this is a big deal. Anytime you damage something that does not belong to you it's a big deal. I'm quite sure if you found your side view mirror knocked off of your car you'd be pretty pissed and wouldn't simply shrug it off as boys will be boys. And finally, if you don't like what I post then don't read it. My opinion is just as valuable as yours.
     
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    The Palestinians get shot for throwing rocks. :shocker:
     
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    Uhh, maybe.
     
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    That seems to be the way in works in this country. Innocent until proven guilty.
     
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    Or probably guilty but aw shucks he was just a drunk college kid so he gets a pass. I've heard it both ways.
     
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    I'm talking about the law. He is most certainly innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet. For all we know it could have been someone he was with that threw the rock(s). There is no guilty but aw shucks law that I know of.
     
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    Former Texas A&M star Christian Kirk was arrested two months before the NFL Draft over an incident at the Waste Management Phoenix Open, and details from the police report indicated he was extremely intoxicated.

    Kirk and a friend were charged with disorderly conduct and property damage after they were allegedly seen throwing rocks at cars, resulting in at least one broken window. The officer who spoke with Kirk said in the Feb. 3 police report that he smelled “an intoxicating beverage coming from his person” and that Kirk’s eyes were bloodshot and watery.

    “They were extremely intoxicated,” Sgt. Ben Hoster of the Scottsdale police, accoridng to a report obtained by ABC 15 in Arizona. “They actually had a difficult time responding to questions.”

    Another officer on the scene said he was concerned that Kirk might become violent, noting that he was “clenching his fists” and making “very pronounced movements” as the officer approached. The officer also noted that Kirk was exhibiting symptoms that typically indicate a person is high on stimulants.

    “Fearing an assault on (the other officer) was imminent, I approached from the rear of Kirk and applied handcuffs. His arms were tense and flexed as I applied the handcuffs,” the officer wrote in the report. “I then assisted Kirk to a seated position. I further noticed the grinding movement of his jaw and continued blank stare. These are common signs of an individual high on stimulants, such as cocaine.
     
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    No DUI because neither was driving, but I'm surprised there was no charge of public intoxication or something. According to the police report, both were so impaired that they couldn't even answer basic questions and police suspected the use of a stimulant as well.
     
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    This looks pretty bad, but the officer could be 100 percent wrong. Body signals aren't 100 percent. I'm not saying the cop did anything wrong, but even if a cop is right 90 out of 100 times, there are those other 10 when it doesn't match up with reality.


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    Look at picture 6, that's from the day in question at Waste Management Phoenix Open.



    That should be the photo

    With them is Armani Watts a fellow future (at that time) draftee and Kirk's friend from A&M.


    The kid wasn't behind a nightclub at 3am, he drank a bit too much at a sporting event. (and we don't know how much that is, it could be 5 beers)

    I can fault a guy for being behind a nightclub at 3am, but are our athletes not supposed to go to any sporting events during the day?


    What I find interesting is that they dropped the charges against Carter. This guy isn't a bad guy from what I hear, but when he drinks, he becomes a loose cannon, a d-bag. He's a guy who can get kicked out of nightclub for how he acts drunk. Kirk isn't like that, the opposite. He's the type that knows and respects the situation and stuff.

    So if there's nothing on Carter, I really doubt they have anything on Kirk. Because if anything went down and if so and Kirk was involved, it would of been Carter instigating the thing.

    I don't know if Kirk is guilty or not, but this whole thing just seems fishy. A guy with great character who suddenly finds himself, drunk with the law on him. It can be scary. He's not a thug.

    If he's guilty he should pay restitution, community service, whatever the courts/prosecutor determine. But something isn't adding up here. It just isn't.

    He doesn't do any drugs. He doesn't do these things on the town, so I highly doubt he suddenly did them at a golf event where he was at for some time. It just isn't his personality.

    Besides, if there ARE drugs, shouldn't they have that info? I've heard they drug test people arrested. So if they did suspect it, and ended up arresting him, they should have that evidence.
     
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    “assisted to a seated position” is excellent language.
     
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    21 year old went to the Waste Management Open and managed to get wasted! There's a surprise!
     
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    Your opinion is fine. That's what we do here. He's going to pay for it, so why berate us?
     
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    That looks like a red bull and vodka in his hand... might explain the stimulants....trust me, a dozen or so of those will make you grind your teeth, lol
     
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