Comments on: Good bye http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/ The number one Arizona Sports fan site on the planet Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:10:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: BigShtank http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1327 BigShtank Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:49:05 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1327 Well, the off-season FA market was dismal to say the least and had the Cards signed Nate Clements for the money that SF gave him, I'd be banging my head against the wall until I turned into Ray Liotta at the end of Hannibal. Don't be negative towards the Cards for not throwing tons of money at mediocre players. I applaud them for not doing that. As for trying to compare them to NE or Indy, well that's just silly. If you were expecting them to be as good this year, then please put the crack pipe down. We weren't expecting them to repeat what NO did last year. They fallen back down to earth. Remember, NO got Reggie Bush and Drew Brees, two great players that helped them. Matt regressed from last year, I do agree with that assessment. I was very frustrated by his play before he was injured. I liked the two headed QB system and wish we could still run it. This team has positives, but it didn't seem like any were pointed out in your article. I'd love to be where the Patriots are at, but no way are we near it. We take what we can get for now. All I want is a consistent playoff team first, then I'll start complaining about not being 7-0 at this point. Well, the off-season FA market was dismal to say the least and had the Cards signed Nate Clements for the money that SF gave him, I’d be banging my head against the wall until I turned into Ray Liotta at the end of Hannibal. Don’t be negative towards the Cards for not throwing tons of money at mediocre players. I applaud them for not doing that.

As for trying to compare them to NE or Indy, well that’s just silly. If you were expecting them to be as good this year, then please put the crack pipe down. We weren’t expecting them to repeat what NO did last year. They fallen back down to earth. Remember, NO got Reggie Bush and Drew Brees, two great players that helped them.

Matt regressed from last year, I do agree with that assessment. I was very frustrated by his play before he was injured. I liked the two headed QB system and wish we could still run it. This team has positives, but it didn’t seem like any were pointed out in your article. I’d love to be where the Patriots are at, but no way are we near it. We take what we can get for now. All I want is a consistent playoff team first, then I’ll start complaining about not being 7-0 at this point.

]]> By: Harry http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1318 Harry Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:25:40 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1318 There’s an old saying about government that goes, “People tend to get they type of government they deserve.” I think the same thing can be said about fans. They tend to get the type of team they deserve. I continue to be astonished when I criticize the Cardinals and get all this negative response, usually complaining about my “doom and gloom.” If everyone will take off their appropriately shaded rose-colored glasses maybe they can view this situation more objectively. This team has shown progress this year, but what has to happen before some of you can see that such progress has not been a giant leap for mankind. Did anyone notice what happened to that Skins team which just beat the Cards two weeks ago? They got clobbered when they played one of the top teams in the league. There is a huge gap between excellence and mediocrity. My position is simple: this team can win make the playoffs and potentially win its division. However, look how well the rest of that division is doing against the rest of the league. The Cards have yet another losing record and if you’re willing to celebrate 3-4 then why should management spend the money to get to 5-2 next year. Heck, 4-3 should have people dancing in the streets. Of course if the Cards do win their division they won’t have this creampuff schedule again and that 4-3 may well be out of reach. As to comments about judging draft choices early, maybe Levi Brown will be solid. That said, every impact tackle I can name looked very strong in their first season. The draft choice wasn’t a waste; it just could have been so much more. While you’re waiting for this draft to shake out, keep in mind you only have 3 other players at whom to look. The other 4 potential draft choices are already moot issues. As to Peterson’s effectiveness in the Cards’ scheme, you must not be watching him play. He would succeed in any scheme and he’s the type of player around whom you could build an offense. He can get the corner, but has run very well inside the tackles. I don't respond to alternative opinions without reasoning, so I won't pursue the Leinart response by CardfanNFL. As to teams with losing records being hard to turn around, it's a tough task. However, if I recalll correctly the Saints went from 20 straight years without a winning record to 12-3 in the 21st year. This is a solid coaching staff making real progress. That said, the last off-season resulted in no impact free agents and 4 draft choices. Everyone can say let's not focus on the negatives, but how do you correct problems without identifying them? C'mon guys 50 years and one winning playoff game. Yeah that's just history, but it ought to be pretty embarassing history for ownership. How many more bad off-seasons will it take before we see some quality evaluation of personnel? There’s an old saying about government that goes, “People tend to get they type of government they deserve.” I think the same thing can be said about fans. They tend to get the type of team they deserve. I continue to be astonished when I criticize the Cardinals and get all this negative response, usually complaining about my “doom and gloom.” If everyone will take off their appropriately shaded rose-colored glasses maybe they can view this situation more objectively. This team has shown progress this year, but what has to happen before some of you can see that such progress has not been a giant leap for mankind. Did anyone notice what happened to that Skins team which just beat the Cards two weeks ago? They got clobbered when they played one of the top teams in the league. There is a huge gap between excellence and mediocrity. My position is simple: this team can win make the playoffs and potentially win its division. However, look how well the rest of that division is doing against the rest of the league. The Cards have yet another losing record and if you’re willing to celebrate 3-4 then why should management spend the money to get to 5-2 next year. Heck, 4-3 should have people dancing in the streets. Of course if the Cards do win their division they won’t have this creampuff schedule again and that 4-3 may well be out of reach.

As to comments about judging draft choices early, maybe Levi Brown will be solid. That said, every impact tackle I can name looked very strong in their first season. The draft choice wasn’t a waste; it just could have been so much more. While you’re waiting for this draft to shake out, keep in mind you only have 3 other players at whom to look. The other 4 potential draft choices are already moot issues. As to Peterson’s effectiveness in the Cards’ scheme, you must not be watching him play. He would succeed in any scheme and he’s the type of player around whom you could build an offense. He can get the corner, but has run very well inside the tackles.

I don’t respond to alternative opinions without reasoning, so I won’t pursue the Leinart response by CardfanNFL.

As to teams with losing records being hard to turn around, it’s a tough task. However, if I recalll correctly the Saints went from 20 straight years without a winning record to 12-3 in the 21st year.

This is a solid coaching staff making real progress. That said, the last off-season resulted in no impact free agents and 4 draft choices. Everyone can say let’s not focus on the negatives, but how do you correct problems without identifying them? C’mon guys 50 years and one winning playoff game. Yeah that’s just history, but it ought to be pretty embarassing history for ownership. How many more bad off-seasons will it take before we see some quality evaluation of personnel?

]]> By: BigShtank http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1306 BigShtank Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:59:27 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1306 Whoopsy, I meant deep threat at WR, which is how you get a deep threat QB. :) Whoopsy, I meant deep threat at WR, which is how you get a deep threat QB. :)

]]> By: BigShtank http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1305 BigShtank Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:56:05 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1305 I agree that we need a deep threat at QB, we must spread the defense down. Twice GB had two 70+ passes on Monday and we have none in the last 3 years I think, not that I remember. Fitz and Q are great route runners, but not deep threat guys. CB must be their #1 priority this offseason. We must have a shutdown corner. TE should be their #2 priority in the offseason. Pope is disappointing to say the least. I had high hopes for him when they drafted him. I would like to see Shipp get the ball more, but Whis' run first offense doesn't work when they don't score in the first quarter. I will say this Harry, lighten up a little on the team. They aren't the Pats or Colts. This is a losing franchise and it'll take time before the losing meantality is worked out of the thinking of this team. We've been close, but we haven't found a way to win those games, just lose them. We got lucky against Seattle, they found a way to lose. It wasn't a great play by us, it was a mistake by them. We lost the SF game, we lost the Baltimore game, we lost the Redskins game too. Carolina actually beat us, that's the only loss that doesn't hurt. I agree that we need a deep threat at QB, we must spread the defense down. Twice GB had two 70+ passes on Monday and we have none in the last 3 years I think, not that I remember. Fitz and Q are great route runners, but not deep threat guys. CB must be their #1 priority this offseason. We must have a shutdown corner. TE should be their #2 priority in the offseason. Pope is disappointing to say the least. I had high hopes for him when they drafted him. I would like to see Shipp get the ball more, but Whis’ run first offense doesn’t work when they don’t score in the first quarter.

I will say this Harry, lighten up a little on the team. They aren’t the Pats or Colts. This is a losing franchise and it’ll take time before the losing meantality is worked out of the thinking of this team. We’ve been close, but we haven’t found a way to win those games, just lose them. We got lucky against Seattle, they found a way to lose. It wasn’t a great play by us, it was a mistake by them. We lost the SF game, we lost the Baltimore game, we lost the Redskins game too. Carolina actually beat us, that’s the only loss that doesn’t hurt.

]]> By: Skkorpion http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1304 Skkorpion Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:51:02 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1304 Thanks for the article, Harry. On offense, our RB group is so poor, it's causing a lot of our failure to score more. So I'm with you on that and on Rackers. As far as your rehash of past real or imaginary blunders, I, like many, just skim past those parts. Be they truth or sour grapes, they can't now be changed and have been discussed to death. Your incessant rehashes of these things is negatively affecting the overall quality of your articles, causing readers to not fully appreciate your current evaluations. Your article is far more positive than many of the comment-makers have perceived and your outlook for this year is more hopeful than mine. Bring on Tampa Bay. Thanks for the article, Harry.

On offense, our RB group is so poor, it’s causing a lot of our failure to score more. So I’m with you on that and on Rackers.

As far as your rehash of past real or imaginary blunders, I, like many, just skim past those parts. Be they truth or sour grapes, they can’t now be changed and have been discussed to death. Your incessant rehashes of these things is negatively affecting the overall quality of your articles, causing readers to not fully appreciate your current evaluations.

Your article is far more positive than many of the comment-makers have perceived and your outlook for this year is more hopeful than mine.

Bring on Tampa Bay.

]]> By: b8rtm8nn http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1303 b8rtm8nn Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:18:23 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1303 Great write up, can't agree more about our corners - Renaldo Hill enters my mind as mediocre but good ball awareness, we don't even have someone like that anymore. Curious to see if B Johnson benefits from Warner being fulltime, other than that, I typically agree with your off season observation and am lukewarm with some of the stuff above. Still, not bad for a first year coach and decent personnel. Great write up, can’t agree more about our corners - Renaldo Hill enters my mind as mediocre but good ball awareness, we don’t even have someone like that anymore.

Curious to see if B Johnson benefits from Warner being fulltime, other than that, I typically agree with your off season observation and am lukewarm with some of the stuff above. Still, not bad for a first year coach and decent personnel.

]]> By: az1965 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1302 az1965 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:24:55 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1302 Wow, Harry's doom and gloom is back! While some points are valid, the article overall is too negative. There sure are several things to improve but the team is playing hard and we could very well be 5-2 at this point. Wow, Harry’s doom and gloom is back! While some points are valid, the article overall is too negative. There sure are several things to improve but the team is playing hard and we could very well be 5-2 at this point.

]]> By: slanidrac16 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1301 slanidrac16 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:24:52 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1301 Leinart will be fine. End of subject. Warner needs to just manage this team an not try to be the QB he once was. We don't need to be the Greatest Show on Turf. Just be mistake free. Edge is a between the tackle, get me 4 tough yards, get positive yards type running back. Every winning team needs a RB like James when it gets down to gut check time. He is one of the best at what he does. Edge is the type of RB that Whiz wants and needs at times in his offense. Peterson would not be having the year he is having here because we have Edge and his touches would have been limited. Remember Chester Taylor got hurt and it opened the door for A.D. The o-line lacks flexibility? Players have been moved around this year because of injuries and have held up incredibly well. I'm sure Grimms coaching plays a huge role. This was the weakest link of the team last year. That is no longer the case. By this time next year our o-line will be the heart and soul of this team. I agree with you on Rackers, how ever , I would bring in some serious competition for him next year. Our Wr "shortcomings" that being a burner to stretch the field should be easy to solve. Berrian will be available and would be aperfest compliment to Fitz and Boldin. The defense will be our main priority next off season. Dansby and Pace fit perfectly into this scheme and should be re-signed. Okeafor returning will bolster our front seven. CB again needs to be upgraded thru FA or a very high pick. I would chose FA so as not to be forced to pick for need. In closing I want to make a point. Draft choices should not be judged nor should they be expected to make a HUGE impact in their rookie year. We are talking about kids coming in from college to play a mans game. Many were calling Watson a bust last year but not now. Branch will eventually make a huge impact by being able to team up with Watson at times to provide an immovable wall in the middle of our D-line and/or spelling Watson,which we would call depth. Leinart will be fine. End of subject. Warner needs to just manage this team an not try to be the QB he once was. We don’t need to be the Greatest Show on Turf. Just be mistake free.
Edge is a between the tackle, get me 4 tough yards, get positive yards type running back. Every winning team needs a RB like James when it gets down to gut check time. He is one of the best at what he does. Edge is the type of RB that Whiz wants and needs at times in his offense.
Peterson would not be having the year he is having here because we have Edge and his touches would have been limited. Remember Chester Taylor got hurt and it opened the door for A.D.
The o-line lacks flexibility? Players have been moved around this year because of injuries and have held up incredibly well. I’m sure Grimms coaching plays a huge role. This was the weakest link of the team last year. That is no longer the case. By this time next year our o-line will be the heart and soul of this team.
I agree with you on Rackers, how ever , I would bring in some serious competition for him next year.
Our Wr “shortcomings” that being a burner to stretch the field should be easy to solve. Berrian will be available and would be aperfest compliment to Fitz and Boldin.
The defense will be our main priority next off season. Dansby and Pace fit perfectly into this scheme and should be re-signed. Okeafor returning will bolster our front seven. CB again needs to be upgraded thru FA or a very high pick. I would chose FA so as not to be forced to pick for need.
In closing I want to make a point. Draft choices should not be judged nor should they be expected to make a HUGE impact in their rookie year. We are talking about kids coming in from college to play a mans game. Many were calling Watson a bust last year but not now. Branch will eventually make a huge impact by being able to team up with Watson at times to provide an immovable wall in the middle of our D-line and/or spelling Watson,which we would call depth.

]]> By: Rugbymuffin http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1300 Rugbymuffin Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:59:33 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1300 Ugh. We should've drafted Adrian Peterson, we need depth at OL, we need a speed receiver (which we don't), we need a "big play" RB (forget our current RB is 5th leading rusher in the league right now), our CB suck, etc., etc., etc. Will this EVER change ? It is the same negative, the Cardinals can't do anything right, every draft pick was a waste, every move is wrong, and the enitre team sucks story. Yawn. Ugh.

We should’ve drafted Adrian Peterson, we need depth at OL, we need a speed receiver (which we don’t), we need a “big play” RB (forget our current RB is 5th leading rusher in the league right now), our CB suck, etc., etc., etc.

Will this EVER change ? It is the same negative, the Cardinals can’t do anything right, every draft pick was a waste, every move is wrong, and the enitre team sucks story.

Yawn.

]]> By: cardfaninfl http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1298 cardfaninfl Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:21:33 +0000 http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/10/good-bye/#comment-1298 Leinart being put on IR = Not a Whis guy. Ok, got it. Thanks for clearing that one up. Leinart being put on IR = Not a Whis guy. Ok, got it. Thanks for clearing that one up.

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