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		<title>By: NEM's Nemesis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  Personal attacks back and forth detract from the discussion.

This Gollin guy has the right perspective.  Assume nothing and enjoy watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  Personal attacks back and forth detract from the discussion.</p>
<p>This Gollin guy has the right perspective.  Assume nothing and enjoy watching.</p>
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		<title>By: kerouac9</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Jonathan Lewis really is at 312 right now (I remember someone saying he was bigger), he'll make a good 3rd NT or pass-rushing NT.  I like him there--generally, you want your 3-4 DEs to be a little taller so that they're not engulfed by the 6-6+ OLTs they're lined up across from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jonathan Lewis really is at 312 right now (I remember someone saying he was bigger), he&#8217;ll make a good 3rd NT or pass-rushing NT.  I like him there&#8211;generally, you want your 3-4 DEs to be a little taller so that they&#8217;re not engulfed by the 6-6+ OLTs they&#8217;re lined up across from.</p>
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		<title>By: wmitchell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right about Kolodziej, Joe, and I would say the same for Jonathan Lewis as having the better chance to make an impression at 3-4 DE.

As for Dansby...we will see how the whole thing shakes out...I think Dansby's at his best when he plays on the edge where he can line up on the outside shoulder of the last down lineman, be it the TE or the WT. Yours and Rugby's arguments about Dansby being freed up at WILB have merit, no question, but...has Dansby shown you the tackling ability and the consistent toughness to be making stops one play after another? I agree he has the range...and he's a good chaser...is he a finisher though? And doesn't he play too high for your liking? I will say this right now...Buster Davis will blow away Dansby at WILB. It won't even be close. Davis has the motor and the stamina...and much more desire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right about Kolodziej, Joe, and I would say the same for Jonathan Lewis as having the better chance to make an impression at 3-4 DE.</p>
<p>As for Dansby&#8230;we will see how the whole thing shakes out&#8230;I think Dansby&#8217;s at his best when he plays on the edge where he can line up on the outside shoulder of the last down lineman, be it the TE or the WT. Yours and Rugby&#8217;s arguments about Dansby being freed up at WILB have merit, no question, but&#8230;has Dansby shown you the tackling ability and the consistent toughness to be making stops one play after another? I agree he has the range&#8230;and he&#8217;s a good chaser&#8230;is he a finisher though? And doesn&#8217;t he play too high for your liking? I will say this right now&#8230;Buster Davis will blow away Dansby at WILB. It won&#8217;t even be close. Davis has the motor and the stamina&#8230;and much more desire.</p>
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		<title>By: joeshmo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Ross K will actually get more time in camp as a reserve DE spot then he will at NT.  If they didnt think Clancy was right for that role then Ross K is even worse for that role.  I actually think Ross K. could really excell in that run stuff 3-4 DE type role becuase of his tenacity.

Also Blackstock is actually over 250 lbs right now, I think he is close to 260.  Him gaining the weight is actually the reason why the coaches have been trying him as a pass rush 4-3 DE specialist, and why he just might work after all in a 3-4 OLB role.

I think the most interesting battle in the front 7 during training camp will be - 

Berry vs. Pace/Blackstock
Beisel vs. Buster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ross K will actually get more time in camp as a reserve DE spot then he will at NT.  If they didnt think Clancy was right for that role then Ross K is even worse for that role.  I actually think Ross K. could really excell in that run stuff 3-4 DE type role becuase of his tenacity.</p>
<p>Also Blackstock is actually over 250 lbs right now, I think he is close to 260.  Him gaining the weight is actually the reason why the coaches have been trying him as a pass rush 4-3 DE specialist, and why he just might work after all in a 3-4 OLB role.</p>
<p>I think the most interesting battle in the front 7 during training camp will be - </p>
<p>Berry vs. Pace/Blackstock<br />
Beisel vs. Buster.</p>
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		<title>By: joeshmo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I donâ€™t think heâ€™s rugged or durable enough mentally or physically to endure at ILB. "

First it isnt just ILB.  Makes it sound like he is taking on MLB type duties of which he isnt.  He is a WILB.

Second, if that is how you feel then why put him on the outside where he would need to be even more rugged and durable?  Why put him at a spot that will only magnify his weaknesses that you yourself point out 10 fold?

WILB is the least touched LB on the field in a 3-4, and why in 90% of the 3-4 Ds the WILB has the most tackles on the team. because they are the most free to roam.  And becuase of the 3-4 OLB responsibilites to take on a lot more blockers they rarely get to the 75 tackle mark.

Just think about it.  Dansby is covered up by 4 other defenders on all sides(OLB, SILB, NT, DE) who's job it is, is to take on more blockers and in the the NT case to take on more then one blocker.  As a 4-3 OLB he is only covered up by a smaller DE, smaller DT, and a MLB.  He will take on even fewer blockers as a WILB then he did as a OLB, and that is a good thing for the less rugged and durable Dansby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t think heâ€™s rugged or durable enough mentally or physically to endure at ILB. &#8221;</p>
<p>First it isnt just ILB.  Makes it sound like he is taking on MLB type duties of which he isnt.  He is a WILB.</p>
<p>Second, if that is how you feel then why put him on the outside where he would need to be even more rugged and durable?  Why put him at a spot that will only magnify his weaknesses that you yourself point out 10 fold?</p>
<p>WILB is the least touched LB on the field in a 3-4, and why in 90% of the 3-4 Ds the WILB has the most tackles on the team. because they are the most free to roam.  And becuase of the 3-4 OLB responsibilites to take on a lot more blockers they rarely get to the 75 tackle mark.</p>
<p>Just think about it.  Dansby is covered up by 4 other defenders on all sides(OLB, SILB, NT, DE) who&#8217;s job it is, is to take on more blockers and in the the NT case to take on more then one blocker.  As a 4-3 OLB he is only covered up by a smaller DE, smaller DT, and a MLB.  He will take on even fewer blockers as a WILB then he did as a OLB, and that is a good thing for the less rugged and durable Dansby.</p>
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		<title>By: wmitchell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your input and advice, BigRedRage. I think Pendy will shuffle the Cards and come up with a defense that will have the opponents off-balance...as I said to Jeff...it will likely be some sort of hybrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your input and advice, BigRedRage. I think Pendy will shuffle the Cards and come up with a defense that will have the opponents off-balance&#8230;as I said to Jeff&#8230;it will likely be some sort of hybrid.</p>
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		<title>By: BigRedRage</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great great conversation here guys, keep up the good work

PS: Walter, try not to take K9 so to heart, this is meant to express opinions and he knows his stuff. I think you take way too much offense when you know more of us will pile in with good things and it wont be all negativity. We all appreciate the time and effort you put in to these articles. I do however reccommend that article on the 3-4, it opened my eyes to alot of aspects of the NFL 3-4. 

Anyway, great writeup, I hope clancy truly mixes it up and returns to the madman of old, remember his first season as DC? turnover madness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great great conversation here guys, keep up the good work</p>
<p>PS: Walter, try not to take K9 so to heart, this is meant to express opinions and he knows his stuff. I think you take way too much offense when you know more of us will pile in with good things and it wont be all negativity. We all appreciate the time and effort you put in to these articles. I do however reccommend that article on the 3-4, it opened my eyes to alot of aspects of the NFL 3-4. </p>
<p>Anyway, great writeup, I hope clancy truly mixes it up and returns to the madman of old, remember his first season as DC? turnover madness!</p>
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		<title>By: wmitchell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your points about the roles in the 3-4 are good, Rugby, but I don't concur with your assessment of Karlos Dansby, especially your contention that he is the best tackling linebacker on the team. I don't think he's rugged or durable enough mentally or physically to endure at ILB. 

By the way, in theory it's nice to think that the WILB will always be covered for and free to swarm to the ball unimpeded, but it doesn't always work out that way, particularly when teams use double TE sets, which they often do to off-set the numbers issues in the 3-4.

Gerald Hayes is the best tackling linebacker on the team...and Monty Beisel isn't far behind. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Beisel used at SILB and Hayes at WILB. Buster Davis should get plenty of snaps as well.

As for Berry...I really don't think he will last anymore as an every-down player. The Cardinals need him badly for their pass rush, particularly in passing situations. With the depth at OLB, I expect Pendergast to use Berry wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your points about the roles in the 3-4 are good, Rugby, but I don&#8217;t concur with your assessment of Karlos Dansby, especially your contention that he is the best tackling linebacker on the team. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s rugged or durable enough mentally or physically to endure at ILB. </p>
<p>By the way, in theory it&#8217;s nice to think that the WILB will always be covered for and free to swarm to the ball unimpeded, but it doesn&#8217;t always work out that way, particularly when teams use double TE sets, which they often do to off-set the numbers issues in the 3-4.</p>
<p>Gerald Hayes is the best tackling linebacker on the team&#8230;and Monty Beisel isn&#8217;t far behind. It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me at all to see Beisel used at SILB and Hayes at WILB. Buster Davis should get plenty of snaps as well.</p>
<p>As for Berry&#8230;I really don&#8217;t think he will last anymore as an every-down player. The Cardinals need him badly for their pass rush, particularly in passing situations. With the depth at OLB, I expect Pendergast to use Berry wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: wmitchell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right on the money, Jeff. It may take some time to shuffle the Cards and sort things out, but my hunch is that Pendergast will devise a special kind of hybrid defense that will feature three safeties, especially if Antrel Rolle is switched there and positioned close to or in the box. Pendy is an innovator and he likes to make use of his personnel in ways that fit their strengths...like the way he has tailored Adrian Wilson's role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right on the money, Jeff. It may take some time to shuffle the Cards and sort things out, but my hunch is that Pendergast will devise a special kind of hybrid defense that will feature three safeties, especially if Antrel Rolle is switched there and positioned close to or in the box. Pendy is an innovator and he likes to make use of his personnel in ways that fit their strengths&#8230;like the way he has tailored Adrian Wilson&#8217;s role.</p>
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		<title>By: kerouac9</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LT played OLB in a 3-4 at 237 lbs.  Wow.  But the NFL was very different then (as pointed out in the excellent book The Blind Side by Michael Lewis), and left tackles were more like weaker guards than they are today.  LT changed the way football was played and created a necessity for the Tony Bosellis, Walter Joneses, Orlando Paces, and Jonathan Ogdens of the NFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LT played OLB in a 3-4 at 237 lbs.  Wow.  But the NFL was very different then (as pointed out in the excellent book The Blind Side by Michael Lewis), and left tackles were more like weaker guards than they are today.  LT changed the way football was played and created a necessity for the Tony Bosellis, Walter Joneses, Orlando Paces, and Jonathan Ogdens of the NFL.</p>
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